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Offline Karnak

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2013, 09:47:14 AM »
Remove icons for both friendly and enemy GVs (in the VBase circles), and your problem is solved.  BTW, this increases the GV-friendliness of the zones further, because people would need to worry about killshooter.  (I would say “as in real life” but won’t, as this is a game play discussion).  

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Removing icons from both enemies and friendlies will 100% not happen.  Both sides use the same equipment and while HTC may make it harder for planes to attack GVs, they are not going to make it impossible.

Quite honestly, it seems like the GV only fans are not going to be satisfied until GVs are completely dominant over aircraft.  Enemy GV icon ranges were brutally reduced, to the point that the first sign of a Wirbelwind is a face full of 20mm, and GVers were happy for a bit.  Now you want no icons so that planes will killshoot themselves if they attack GVs.  What is the end point demand?  SAMs?  Auto destruction of any airplane that comes within 1500 yards of an enemy GV?
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2013, 02:22:54 PM »
yes! :old:

Deacon would be happy with that :old:

And the ability to shoot planes with your main cannon, this happened everyday in the war :old:

Makes you wonder why they invented SAMS :old:
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2013, 03:16:50 PM »
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AH already caters far too much to GVers, to the detriment of what should be (in my opinion) the games main focus


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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2013, 05:46:09 PM »
Removing icons from both enemies and friendlies will 100% not happen.  Both sides use the same equipment and while HTC may make it harder for planes to attack GVs, they are not going to make it impossible.

Just trying to address your running-to-wirble concern, Karnak.  Whatever ...

Quite honestly, it seems like the GV only fans are not going to be satisfied until GVs are completely dominant over aircraft.  Enemy GV icon ranges were brutally reduced, to the point that the first sign of a Wirbelwind is a face full of 20mm, and GVers were happy for a bit.  Now you want no icons so that planes will killshoot themselves if they attack GVs.  What is the end point demand?  SAMs?  Auto destruction of any airplane that comes within 1500 yards of an enemy GV?

No, the request is for GV-friendly zones (no-icon flavor) within the VBase circle, leaving the rest of the map with rules as currently in force.  I am not impressed with rhetorical excess and sophistry, and hopefully HTC won't be either.  

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2013, 05:59:56 PM »
Just trying to address your running-to-wirble concern, Karnak.  Whatever ...
That can be addressed quite adequately by simply making friendly GV icons have the same range rules for aircraft as enemy GV icons do.  That has the distinct advantage of not making it suicidal to attack any GV from the air.

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No, the request is for GV-friendly zones (no-icon flavor) within the VBase circle, leaving the rest of the map with rules as currently in force.  I am not impressed with rhetorical excess and sophistry, and hopefully HTC won't be either.  

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That's what you say now.  My bet is, should your wish be granted, that a month or three after being granted you, or somebody else, will be here in the Wishlist asking for yet another tweak to help GVs against aircraft a little bit more.  Sure, what I posted was hyperbolic, but I do honestly believe that the GV favoring wishes won't cease until GVs have an overwhelming advantage over aircraft.


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The problem with your idea is that it breaks one of the core design rules: consistency.  Under your system new players would find that GVs inexplicably sometimes had icons and sometimes did not, something that has the appearance of a bug.  Less attentive players as well.
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2013, 08:35:51 PM »
Deacon, you might find more support if you put this somewhere that ppl who play the game will see it.  :old:
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2013, 10:07:02 PM »
Deacon, you might find more support if you put this somewhere that ppl who play the game will see it.  :old:

Or if he asks for a decent wish  ;)

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2013, 10:09:42 PM »
Flew cap for all tanks in the crater today using the FM2, P47d11, and Yak9t. Saw one gver that got on my nerves as he was perched on top of the mountain in a tiger shooting down at all the other tanks with no way for them to shot back at him. Did one gv bomb mission and removed that tiger to level the playing field. 200 whine ensued which is normal. I had a good flight that time and enjoyed bombing his tank :t

On a side note I also saw Tdeacon in the same spot yesterday in a perk tank and had he not been on my side I would have bombed him to
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2013, 01:26:07 AM »
Or if he asks for a decent wish  ;)



How dare you!

Deacon is trying very very hard to shoot GVs and needs lots of time to practice :old:

In future please do not drop bombs on Deacon not until he has actually got kills in a Tank :old:

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2013, 08:17:20 AM »
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2013, 08:25:57 AM »
Flew cap for all tanks in the crater today using the FM2, P47d11, and Yak9t.
I've been shot down by enemy Wirbies while flying CAP for the GVs.
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #41 on: October 07, 2013, 08:47:55 AM »
I've been shot down by enemy Wirbies while flying CAP for the GVs.

...and that happens.

You seem to be OK with that, like it's part of the game or something.  :)
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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #42 on: October 07, 2013, 10:15:01 AM »
That can be addressed quite adequately by simply making friendly GV icons have the same range rules for aircraft as enemy GV icons do.  That has the distinct advantage of not making it suicidal to attack any GV from the air.
That's what you say now.  My bet is, should your wish be granted, that a month or three after being granted you, or somebody else, will be here in the Wishlist asking for yet another tweak to help GVs against aircraft a little bit more.  Sure, what I posted was hyperbolic, but I do honestly believe that the GV favoring wishes won't cease until GVs have an overwhelming advantage over aircraft.

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The problem with your idea is that it breaks one of the core design rules: consistency.  Under your system new players would find that GVs inexplicably sometimes had icons and sometimes did not, something that has the appearance of a bug.  Less attentive players as well.

I can only speak for myself, but the motivation for my suggestions is to give me and others a place where GVs can play relatively unmolested.  It has nothing to do with any sort of us-versus-them dynamic between GVs and AC, since I like both.  It's also not part of some sort of master plan for gradual eroding the GV-AC relationship.  If nothing is changed, I will still play the game, because I am experienced enough to deal with the current situation.  However, if HTC is hoping to attract and keep new players based on their GV game, I think the current situation will frustrate the new guys too much for optimal retention.  

I do think that your fear of GVs having an overwhelming advantage over AC is kind of silly, since the latter can fly, go over 10 times as fast, and have more firepower.  

Yes, the consistency thing bothers me too.  However, I haven’t yet thought of a better way to do it, except for doing new maps with separate chained VBases and chained air bases, separated by distance or mountains.  Nobody is going to do maps like that, though.  

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #43 on: October 07, 2013, 10:17:44 AM »
Deacon, you might find more support if you put this somewhere that ppl who play the game will see it.  :old:

HTC will see it here.  They don't decide on what to put in their game based on a few Forum posters, most of whom are obviously trolling.  

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Re: Alternative simple way to make AH GV-friendly and increase subscribers
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2013, 10:23:12 AM »
Flew cap for all tanks in the crater today using the FM2, P47d11, and Yak9t. Saw one gver that got on my nerves as he was perched on top of the mountain in a tiger shooting down at all the other tanks with no way for them to shot back at him. Did one gv bomb mission and removed that tiger to level the playing field. 200 whine ensued which is normal. I had a good flight that time and enjoyed bombing his tank :t

On a side note I also saw Tdeacon in the same spot yesterday in a perk tank and had he not been on my side I would have bombed him to

The reason I was up there in a Firefly are the Rook Tigers and Jagdpanthers which were up there as well.  The first time I tried it, I was killed by a Jagdpanther.  The second time, I fell down the cliff.  The third time I would have had a good rear shot on the Tiger, but you bombed it (...).  Usually I use Panzer IVHs, which have much better gun depression, and are thus much more effective on those plateaus.  

You seem to be implying some sort of moral superiority because you blasted someone's Tiger with a plane in Tank Town?  That's actually funny in a pathetic sort of way.  Much better if you let us GVers handle people on plateaus, but of course you need to justify your dweebery.    

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