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Offline colmbo

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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2013, 07:43:09 AM »
Quote from: lyric1 on October 17, 2013, 03:01:37 AM
Also maximum air speed & that power must be off & wind milling propellers at 40,000 lbs. 

That is not what it says.  To achieve the specified glide angle at stated speed power must be at idle.  You can use power but at the stated speed the angle will be shallower.
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 10:09:26 AM »
I can't imagine ANY of the bombers in AH, with exception to the Ar234, being able to withstand speeds that fast regardless of being loaded with ord and fuel or not.

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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2013, 10:35:04 AM »
A bit surreal but hey, Spielberg invented cartoon landing gear for a real B-17.
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2013, 11:10:02 AM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on October 17, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
I can't imagine ANY of the bombers in AH, with exception to the Ar234, being able to withstand speeds that fast regardless of being loaded with ord and fuel or not.


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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2013, 12:00:15 PM »
An important question is how much faster that B17 could go than those measly 503mph  :cool:
 


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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2013, 08:02:37 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 17, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
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*sigh*  There has always got to be one.  :)   ok ok ok.... how about "heavy bombers" not being able to withstand speeds that high.  Not the B29, Lancaster, B17, B24, Ju88, etc.   
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2013, 08:50:53 AM »
Quote from: SmokinLoon on October 18, 2013, 08:02:37 AM
*sigh*  There has always got to be one.  :)   ok ok ok.... how about "heavy bombers" not being able to withstand speeds that high.  Not the B29, Lancaster, B17, B24, Ju88, etc.   
You mentioned the Ar234.  That made your comment fair game.  :p
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2013, 04:13:07 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on October 18, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
You mentioned the Ar234.  That made your comment fair game.  :p
:airplane: For what ever it is worth in this discussion, I have seen the B-29C, (real life), at 365IAS, many, many times when decending. I was also told that we may increase the VNE speed, 5% for each 10,000 foot of altitude!
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2013, 11:49:21 AM »
Quote from: save on October 17, 2013, 12:00:15 PM
An important question is how much faster that B17 could go than those measly 503mph  :cool:


Tests are still running, but I just got the B-17 up to 400mph indicated / 525 mph true airspeed at ~17k without breaking up and without losing formation!

No wonder I could'nt really catch up at one time in a severely compressing Me 163  :lol
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 03:41:43 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on October 19, 2013, 11:49:21 AM

Tests are still running, but I just got the B-17 up to 400mph indicated / 525 mph true airspeed at ~17k without breaking up and without losing formation!

No wonder I could'nt really catch up at one time in a severely compressing Me 163  :lol


Perk the B-17.  :D
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2013, 06:25:38 PM »
the FW190A8 compress at about 605 mph  :rock
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2013, 03:15:07 AM »
What happens to the waist gunners in such a dive? Aren't they just standing there in front of a big open window?

I love trying to dogfight in the b26 but I can't help thinking about those gunners flying around in the back as I do all those ACM...
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2013, 10:10:50 AM »
Quote from: bozon on October 20, 2013, 03:15:07 AM
I love trying to dogfight in the b26 but I can't help thinking about those gunners flying around in the back as I do all those ACM...

If they were still able to walk they'd probably kick your butt when you landed.  I've been in the back of a B-17 doing wingovers, certainly throws you around.
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2013, 10:25:35 AM »
Quote from: bozon on October 20, 2013, 03:15:07 AM
What happens to the waist gunners in such a dive? Aren't they just standing there in front of a big open window?

I love trying to dogfight in the b26 but I can't help thinking about those gunners flying around in the back as I do all those ACM...

Not all B-17s had open waist gunner positions.
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Re: B-17 VNE - RL vs AH?
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 06:19:27 PM »
some bombers really needs to be reviewed in the scope of flying in formation at high speed and maneuvering.
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