SM-82 CANGARO AXIS TRANSPORT/BOMBER its time....again

[Karnak]

for the british we have the lancaster...great plane, where are the other british bombers?...blenheim,Vickers Wellington (Royal Air Force,Handley Page Hampden & Hereford,Armstrong Whitworth Whitley,Short Stirling (Royal Air Force)....some of those served through ww2 and are significant, but they arnt in game...just an example.

As I said, the five big boys are still missing many significant aircraft.  It behooves us to ask for the units that best represent what we are targeting.  For the Italian bomber that is clearly the SM.79-II, a far better bomber than the SM.82.  It is hard to justify a whole slew of Italian aircraft at this time given their relatively limited action and so Italian additions should focus on maximizing usefulness.

[jag88]

It would be nice to be able to see something like this:



Funny thing, it doesnt seem to have the 13mm turret of an H-20/R11, supposedly the first paratrooper variant...  On the other hand, you can find RZ20 parachutes with a "He-111" mark, and those were replaced in production by the RZ-36 already in 1943...



Unless you are the guy caught by the tailwheel that is...

[alpini13]

oh now wait...if there is going to be a glouster gladiator...then bring in the cr-42 to counter it....as for the sm-79 vs the sm-82.......i agree..the sm-79 is a better attack aircraft...but IT CANT BRING TROOPS....and here we are AGAIN...the sm-82 can do BOTH...wait let me say that again...BOTH...now  a wisper...both.......now the people on the right                                                               BOTH
now the people on the left
BOTH.....

[Karnak]

oh now wait...if there is going to be a glouster gladiator...then bring in the cr-42 to counter it....as for the sm-79 vs the sm-82.......i agree..the sm-79 is a better attack aircraft...but IT CANT BRING TROOPS....and here we are AGAIN...the sm-82 can do BOTH...wait let me say that again...BOTH...now  a wisper...both.......now the people on the right                                                               BOTH
now the people on the left
BOTH.....

Irrelevant.  The Italians are not going to get a troop carrying aircraft before the Germans do and the Italians used the Ju52 as well.  Your effort to combine a troop carrier and bomber for the Italians would, if added, give them an inferior bomber that they would be stuck with.  Probably for good.  The bomber role is much more significant and for that the SM.79-II should be the Italian bomber.

[Arlo]

Sparviero

[alpini13]

the sm-82 was used by both the germans and the italians...nobody would be getting something before the other...it would be at the same time, sounds like your a bit Prejudice against the italians getting any aircraft.if you have personal issues,please dont bring them here this is aforum for an online game,not real life.  and sooooo. the sm-82 would be a good choice,fulfill many roles,be useful in scenarios and main arena,by only adding one aircraft,instead of two,or three.

[Arlo]

the sm-82 was used by both the germans and the italians...nobody would be getting something before the other...it would be at the same time, sounds like your a bit Prejudice against the italians getting any aircraft.if you have personal issues,please dont bring them here this is aforum for an online game,not real life.  and sooooo. the sm-82 would be a good choice,fulfill many roles,be useful in scenarios and main arena,by only adding one aircraft,instead of two,or three.

Actually, it doesn't sound like Karnak is prejudiced against the Italians. It does sound like you are
stubborn and defensive when it comes to your preference of planes to model for them versus
his (or mine), however. And before you jump to add me to your hasty and reckless conclusion,
I'm one of the most fervent supporters of building up the Italian plane set to at least the level of
the next smallest national plane set. I even added your request for this aircraft to the list of
planes I think would benefit Aces High (but not at the expense or even ahead of the SM.79
or Ju-52).

[Karnak]

the sm-82 was used by both the germans and the italians...nobody would be getting something before the other...it would be at the same time, sounds like your a bit Prejudice against the italians getting any aircraft.if you have personal issues,please dont bring them here this is aforum for an online game,not real life.  and sooooo. the sm-82 would be a good choice,fulfill many roles,be useful in scenarios and main arena,by only adding one aircraft,instead of two,or three.

I'm biased against the Italians because I am arguing they should have a better bomber than the SM.82?  OK then.

[alpini13]

    its funny what arlo said....in no way im i biased, i want alot of other aircraft,and not just for the italians,for all sideds....but it turn out I WAS RIGHT about what i did say....just look at the previous post,he freely admits it.   i am trying to save time,by adding one aircraft that would have MORE use than if we added two aircraft that will result in less use. i really dont know how much use any of these planes would get,but after playing for several years...there is a pattern. when something is introduced, its popular for a month or two and everybody tries it. then its use diminishes if it cant  go toe to toe in the main arena with current  popular aircraft or gv's.   the sm-79 and ju-52 wont do well in the main arena for a few reasons..none of wich are historical. the ju-52 is much slower than the c-47 that is currently in game,and will probably end up being used little...like the german halftrack vs. the m-3.  the sm-79 is a slow bomber with small payload and little defensife armament,it will be an easy target in the main arena, in real life its big assets were..that it could carry torpedoes and bring them to target and survive...but put that into context as to when and where this occured and with what the enemy was using to fight it......pretty much the early war arena for us. in the late war arena,it would be toasty sndwich treats,lol.  the sm-82 however would still fulfill several roles and be use full and still only be one plane added instead of two.and its funny how a bunch of responses on here cite...it wont be a good bomber for the axis.....aahhh,HELLO!!!  its main role would be  TRANSPORT, and since it would be about egual to the c47,it would get more use than the ju-52.....and remeber,the germans and italians used the sm-82 as a transport,it would then be a good aircraft to add as it was used by the axis and would be better in the main arena transport role than the ju-52. the fact that the sm-82 can bomb,and was used as a bomber is just an added bonus,there are other axis bombers that are better...none of which haul troops in game.

[CASHEW]

NO

[Arlo]

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[Karnak]

Posit for a moment that the SM.82 is added because, as you say, it can be another Axis troop transport and an Italian bomber.  What now do you think the Italians will never get?

Ah yes, an actual bomber.  They'll be stuck with a poor performing transport forced into the bomber role.  212mph?  Of things that fly in AH only the Fi156 is slower than that.  Even the He111 would be more survivable.

Hence, I argue, it would be far, far better for the SM.79-II or Cant Z.1007 to be added and no Axis transport at all than for the SM.82 to be added in an attempt to fill both the Axis transport and Italian bomber role.  Much better for the game if the Axis keeps using "L2D 'Tabby'"s and the Italians get a purpose built bomber.

You may argue that it would be even better for the Italians to get both the SM.82 and the SM.79-II or Cant Z.1007 and while I actually agree with that, I have to ask you, how realistic is that request when the most recently added Italian aircraft was added on April 7th, 2000?

[alpini13]

karnak,you have a valid point, but lets look at this another way. this game has been around for 10+years....something like that. and the luftwaffe has about 20 aircraft...plus gv's...with ALL that over that amount of time...not only has no transport been added ,but no late war bomber has been added to the luftwaffe. the italians have 2 aircraft and IF an italian aircraft is added,it most likely would be the G-55 fiat.so...saying lets not have  an italian transport that would be useful in scenario's(as a bomber) and as a transport for the germans and italains in the main arena...because it may ruin our chances of having another italian bomber that would be better....is like saying    if we get the c-47 it might ruin our chances of getting a b-29....which by the way skuzzy said for years we would never have the b-29...we have it now. the allies have at least 10 bombers in game,and if at any time somebody said if we get the a-20,or b-24..we will never get plane X..then they were missing out on the idea that many aircraft and vehicles are missing from the game....and looks like we only get updates 2x(twice) a year. with some popular aircraft on the wishlist like the  g-55,d-520,pe-2,baufighter,mig-3,ju-52,he-177,and glouster meteor,and j2m3, plus updating exsisting aircraft that need a remodel, we may never see an italian bomber...ever.i would rather have the sm-82 as a transport that is useful,and as a bomber for scenarios use,than nothing at all.

[gyrene81]

when was the last time a special event featured troop or supply drops as one of the objectives? with no country specific limitations in the main arenas, there hasn't been an actual need for another transport plane...still isn't.

the next fso could use a german transport plane and that is a first since i've been here.

[Karnak]

when was the last time a special event featured troop or supply drops as one of the objectives? with no country specific limitations in the main arenas, there hasn't been an actual need for another transport plane...still isn't.

the next fso could use a german transport plane and that is a first since i've been here.

To the best of my knowledge no scenario has ever used transports in AH.  Transports are pretty much just an MA and AvA convention.