AMD Radeon R9 290X

[BoilerDown]

LOL!  http://news.techeye.net/chips/amd-declares-all-out-war-on-nvidia

[gyrene81]

LOL!  http://news.techeye.net/chips/amd-declares-all-out-war-on-nvidia

          that is hilarious!!!

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The same issues that plagued the Fermi chipset are now mounted upon the 290X. Somehow the dire warnings we received about the GTX 480 are now 'moderate' (Ripley's choice of words) with the 290X. That doesn't bother me as much as the word on Crossfire issues, like the primary video buffer refresh fails, and the forced adaptive Vsync rate (probably to avoid an issue with the premature drivers).

They will get that all sorted out just as Nvidia releases their next card, probably.

Who cares about premature drivers of crossfire when 1) AMD is back into the competition 2) 290X gives far better bang for buck than its competition at the moment. For most users a single card is more than enough.

[BoilerDown]

Nvidia price drops announced to counter the 290X:

http://hardocp.com/news/2013/10/28/big_price_cuts_for_geforce_gtx_780_770_tomorrow_ti_coming_117

GTX 780: $499
GTX 770: $329

That is pretty huge.  I think Mantle will likely be one of those things that never comes to fruition for more than a few PC games, but G-Sync will be hugely important.  I'm going to stick to Nvidia.  I don't need to upgrade until at least the next generation (I have a GTX680 w/ 4GB), so this doesn't affect me, but some AMD fanbois on the other forum were saying it was impossible for Nvidia to lower their prices on the Titan-based parts.  Which is, of course, ridiculous.  Another point I was proven to be right about.

Chalenge, still waiting on those links.

[guncrasher]

but which gtx 770.  look at newegg there have several with prices ranging from 329 to 629.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%2050001402%20600451269%20600451260&IsNodeId=1&name=GeForce%20GTX%20770


semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

See Rules #2, #4

[guncrasher]

See Rules #2, #4

[Chalenge]

My apologies for not answering sooner. I have made no secret of the fact that I am seeking a technology degree and raising a family, both of which are limiting my time greatly.

To see my reasoning for downplaying the 290x performance you really need to read the Anandtech review a little more closely than you have. Then add a heap of insight that most of you almost never seem to use (even though I know you can get there) in order to reach what I am posting now. The Nvidia cards are still winning out on the games intended for mainstream users, because those users are not trying to push 4k resolutions out of their systems. Most of the AH user base would be ill-advised to jump to this card for the very reason that HTC still supports older systems (i.e. your system will not handle it gracefully). Without more cooling and new PSUs the majority of users will likely damage their PCs without even knowing it. If you have ever listened to anything I have said about PSUs then you already know why.

Regardless, after reading this morning that Nvidia had cut prices (a move you should have known they would make) the choice is even more clear. AMD fans will stick to their cards (and will probably not buy a 290x anyway) and Nvidia fans will probably pick up a second card for SLI (why wouldn't they?). AMD provides a fair market option to people that do not want to spend the money it takes to own Intel, or Nvidia. Even for those people that own Intel and usually run AMD video will not own a 290x, because the advantage their card has is in 4k resolutions which is something almost no one is doing yet.

If you run 4k then post up some video, or benchmarks. I've been asking for a little while now.

[zack1234]

I have a 680 and got a decent psu so when prices come down i would get a second card

To be honest I dont think i need a second card

[BoilerDown]

Chalenge, that still doesn't provide any examples of "serious problems" with the 290X.  Its just your opinion (man).  Nothing I can use.  I've read Anandtech's article, and a number of others, and I'm not seeing it.  

I agree with the 4k thing, and I've said as much, if not here then elsewhere.  People don't game (serious games, not Farmville or Minecraft) at that resolution, so performance at that resolution doesn't matter.  Been said already, everyone agrees, moving on.  The 290X still beats the GTX 780 in performance (but no longer price) at 1080p.  Where's the serious issues?

Edit: I wasn't going to even acknowledge this, but I feel I should.  Your power supply reason is a bunch of FUD at best.  Video cards have been drawing roughly the same amount of power for a long time now, the 290X isn't appreciably worse than anything else.  The idea that it will make a bunch of people's computers break any more than any similarly priced video card is a bunch of crap that is barely even worth refuting.  Yes, if you get a video card that draws more power, you might need a new power supply.  Boring, old argument not specific to the 290X.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

not anymore than you got milked getting your laptop after a few months it goes on clearance.


semp

Not really. Unlike with GPUs laptops actually have competition. Milking = being able to price the products with premium due to no competition.

[Debrody]

Lets test those cards in 640x480 so the 780's win would be even cleaner 

Honestly, for full-HD, a gtx 760 or a 270x is more than enough. Theese monsters (Titan, 780, 290x) are that powerful for the nowadays games, that they can run them on 3 monitors withouth serious issues. Its damn pointless to argue about it is the 780 or the 290 being better for mainstream users - they are not mainstream products. Otherwise isnt it equal if the said game is running at 150 or 160 fps in full-HD?

The titan and the 290 are pretty much the same performance-wise, but the 290 is cheaper. Its not a choice. The 780 is a bit slower than the 290, for about the same price, but the differences are minimal. The only drastical advantage the 290 has over the 780, the computational performance. Ergo, if youre using serious rendering softwares, the 290 is your choice, if not, you basically cannot go wrong...
...except spending 500$ on a damned video card 

[Skuzzy]

Multi-monitor computer owners have been playing at near, or higher, than 4K resolutions for more than a couple of years now.  4K is 3840x2160 (8,294,400) pixels.  A decent 3 IPS monitor setup is 7680x1600 (12,288,000) pixels.  A decent HD 3 monitor setup is slightly less at 5760x1200 (6,912,000) pixels.

[guncrasher]

Not really. Unlike with GPUs laptops actually have competition. Milking = being able to price the products with premium due to no competition.

wow did amd just started selling video cards today?  did the many companies that sell nvidia products all had the same price?


semp

[MrRiplEy[H]]

wow did amd just started selling video cards today?  did the many companies that sell nvidia products all had the same price?


semp

Yep AMD just started selling its first competitive products for higher end class for the first time in many years.  

Or did you miss the instant price drops that resulted from it?