Does anybody really use this thing anymore?

[Karnak]

OBJ values for the B-26 and He111 are the same, or nearly so, as I recall.  The B-26's superior performance means you'll get perks faster.

That completely ignores the perks from killing enemy fighters.  Yes, the ENY on the He111 is much higher, but your odds of killing an enemy fighter are very low.


Probably the best perk farming bomber is the Ki-67 due to its speed, defensive guns and high OBJ value.

[gyrene81]

Probably the best perk farming bomber is the Ki-67 due to its speed, defensive guns and high OBJ value.

now that depends on how you want to look...

ki-67...



he-111...

[Karnak]

now that depends on how you want to look...

Perk earning capability is unimpressed by aesthetics.

That said, if you really want to earn perks with German stuff, the He111 is probably slightly better than the Ju88.  Maybe not though, they are close.

[SmokinLoon]

Not that I disagree with it being added, but....

What merits does it have in AH as compared to other bombers, particularly the B-26B which seems to be the leader in that category.

Torpedoes.  BFB's. Eventually the ability to carry supplies.   

[Karnak]

Torpedoes.  BFB's. Eventually the ability to carry supplies.   

Ju88 is superior and carries torps.  I doubt it will ever carry supplies, but yes, that would set it apart.

[LCADolby]

The He 111 is the prettiest looking bomber in AH. 

[caldera]

The He 111 is the prettiest looking bomber in AH. 

"Everyone to their own taste", said the lady who kissed the cow.   

[Karnak]

The He 111 is the prettiest looking bomber in AH. 

That is debatable.

I prefer the Mossie bombers, B-17 and B-26 myself.  For a German bomber the He111 is pretty nice looking though.  Still, its no Ju188.

[LCADolby]

You guys are just jealous the He111 treats me so well!

[XxDaSTaRxx]

Why up a Ju-88 instead of an He-111?
Why up a He-111 instead of a Ju-88?

B-24's are the most intimidating to me (in a fighter), why does anyone up anything other than a B-24?

When I'm in a Ju-88 or He-11, it seems that any other bombers land more damage than I do.
When players land bombers, are Perk points awarded considering the plane?
Or does it only go by Tonage of bombs dropped? and number of air to air kills?
Do heavy bombers get points for killing GV's?

Could a guy that flies ONLY Ju-88s or He-111s EVER EVER EVER get #1 bomber ranking?

B-17 seems to have it's advantages, I've noticed B-24 engines are pretty sensitive to damage...

[chris3]

moin

you guys knew im a ju 88 driver, from my point of view i cant understand why it isn t used much more, because its a very very evective bomber. sure the devensive power is not so well, but combinided with its turnability its very hard to shoot down a junkers.

in comparacion for stategig fliing.

the ju 88 can kill 10 town buildings in strat city with smal load out, with this loadout you are able to angage in 28k and dive away after drop with nearly 500miles.

the heinkel could kill 16 town buildings in stat city, but cant klimp hiher as 20 and is relativly slow, so its a chalange to bring a heinkel to the stats, i like doing that because its way harder as bringen an afk 35k b17 to it. and a heinkel can reach the target wenn a junkers cant.

because the highalt ability the b17 is more usable as the b24,  the lidel better load out means nothing because both only can take 12 500lbs bombs  and this loadout is better for strat attacks (mostly not ever).  so i think thats explains why the b17 is more used as the b24.

there was a time were you only see b24 so i like this change.



To my Junkers:
Do you guys knew that this is the only bomber wich can close all fighter hangers at a small field in one pass,

do you knew that this bird can close a v field , able to kill 2-3 gvs and deack 2-6 acks with the bombs  and surly the nose gunn can work as well :-)

no other bomber do have these ability only the lanc stuka can maybe do that but the most will die ;-)

cu christian

[Karnak]

Do you guys knew that this is the only bomber wich can close all fighter hangers at a small field in one pass,

Why can't the B-17 with six 1000lbers or the B-24 with eight 1000lbers or four 2000lbers do so?

[SmokinLoon]

moin
you guys knew im a ju 88 driver, from my point of view i cant understand why it isn t used much more, because its a very very evective bomber. sure the devensive power is not so well, but combinided with its turnability its very hard to shoot down a junkers.
in comparacion for stategig fliing.
the ju 88 can kill 10 town buildings in strat city with smal load out, with this loadout you are able to angage in 28k and dive away after drop with nearly 500miles.
the heinkel could kill 16 town buildings in stat city, but cant klimp hiher as 20 and is relativly slow, so its a chalange to bring a heinkel to the stats, i like doing that because its way harder as bringen an afk 35k b17 to it. and a heinkel can reach the target wenn a junkers cant.
because the highalt ability the b17 is more usable as the b24,  the lidel better load out means nothing because both only can take 12 500lbs bombs  and this loadout is better for strat attacks (mostly not ever).  so i think thats explains why the b17 is more used as the b24.
there was a time were you only see b24 so i like this change.
To my Junkers:
Do you guys knew that this is the only bomber wich can close all fighter hangers at a small field in one pass,
do you knew that this bird can close a v field , able to kill 2-3 gvs and deack 2-6 acks with the bombs  and surly the nose gunn can work as well :-)
no other bomber do have these ability only the lanc stuka can maybe do that but the most will die ;-)
cu christian

ok... just because I like the nuts and bolts of each bomber's attributes, I'll bite.   

A bomber's ability to evade enemy fighters via turning is sort of a moot point, really.  Stop and think about that concept.

The Ju88 can certainly carry a large bomb load in weight, but only about 2000 kg (4400 lbs) is worth mentioning in most cases. It also climbs well enough and well enough speed, but the Ju88 is plagued by two things: defensive armament and range.   

The Ju88 offers nothing that the B17, B24, and Lancaster can not do better, at least in terms of total weight destruction.  While in a Ju88, if you can make 2 passes over a gv base and take out out all 4 hangers with the large ord, then make 2-3 more passes with the small ord and de-ack, then more power to you.  However you cut it, that technique is not very efficient.  Mind you, I very much enjoy NOT doing things the cookie cutter way.  The "horde" effect really annoys me.

Last but not least, I'm a fan of the Ju88 and He111.  I fly them quite a but (more He111 lately). I applaud anyone who will accept the challenge of those two bombers.  What many people forget is that both the Ju88 and He111 are 2 engine bombers, not the 4 engine bombers like they are most compared to. 

[Karnak]

What many people forget is that both the Ju88 and He111 are 2 engine bombers, not the 4 engine bombers like they are most compared to.  

Hence my focusing my comparisons to the B-26, G4M1 and Ki-67 earlier.  It was only when it was claimed that the Ju88 could take out all FHs at a small field in a single pass and that no other bomber could do so that I brought the heavies into it.  I suspect the B-26 can also do that with four 1000lbers.

[Franz Von Werra]

Ok... a MAJOR difference between the Ju-88 and the He-111... that I have brought up before - GUN INTERFACE.

Dogfighting, so leave the 'formation' stuff at home, this is for when you are a single bomber, or the other two are dead.
So, upping a single Ju-88, WITH NO BOMBS... 50% fuel is just a bit too heavy, but with only 25% fuel, it's duration is just a bit too low. If you choose 50% fuel, then you need to burn some off by doing a climb out to get some alt that ya should have anyways. (another good reason for fuelburn 1x!)

Anyways, Cases:
1) All 3 Ju-88's dead in one pass: I've seen game footage of a fighter killing all three of a Ju-88 formation IN ONE HIGH SPEED PASS (came in level with the bombers from out past the rear right side bomber - boom boom boom in one pass! :/
2) Other hand... I have also personally shot down many fighters with a Ju-88, when they come in from dead six, in the (small) cone, where all three rearward guns can hit the fighter at the same time, firing 'N' key to fire all weapons. I think the fighters are greedy, thinking it's an easy kill, and want to kill it before anyone else shows up and 'steals' the kills.
3) Dogfighting!, with 25 to 50% fuel, no bombs, it can actually DOGFIGHT with enemy FIGHTERS. One time, a good lengthy fight and I smoked an F4u, at least once. No it wasn't one of the 'all star' f4u dweebs but it was still a win for the Ju-88.

See... the Ju-88's forward gun, SMALL as it may be - 7.9mm, it still carries a LOT of AMO, 750 rounds to spray away.
THIS AMO CAN BE FIRED FROM THE PILOTS SEAT BY PULLING THE TRIGGER BUTTON IN JU-88, BUT NOT IN HE-111!

The He-111, IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIRE BOTH IT'S FRONT TWO 20MM's! WHY NOT??? KILLJOY MODELERS BOOO !!!
Were talking same fire power as an 190A5 or A8 without outer guns, or same as a 190d9!!!
The 111 PILOTS would have big grins on if they could fire FROM THE PILOTS SEAT!!!
AND IF YOU DO GO TO THE FRONT GUNNER'S SEAT, THE ARCH IS SO TERRIBLE THAT WE CAN'T AIM IT!!! ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE DAMM PLANE AUTO LEVELS WHEN WE GOTO A GUN!!!! WTH!!!!

AND 99.9999% of the time, NOBODY BUT NOBODY has TWO players in ONE plane, even when its BOMBERS, almost would say ESPECIALLY NOT when it's bombers.

How I feel about the gun interface for the He-111???... it HAS NO DEFENSES IF AT PILOT CONTROLS SOOO NO FUN DOGFIGHTS!
Ju-88 plane - I'm sure there was a load out that had some AMO pointed forward, as in FIXED, had to be, with more than 1 single 7.9mm.
Bunch of 'kill joy modelers'... you guys dropped the ball on this stuff!  

SHOULD BE A BUTTON TO FIRE ALL WEAPONS WHICHEVER WAY THEY ARE FACING! PLEASE!



How to dogfight in a bomber?
Easy, just have to go easy with the G's, can still turn tight, stall fight, etc etc, just can't pull the same G's... same way to dodge enemy fighters in C47's for example...
For Ju-88's and He-111's... you have two of everything, just don't get hit in the pilot! And really, I think the glass was more bullet proof than the movies portray btw.

sowwy for I sometimes get upset!