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Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« on: October 29, 2013, 10:21:40 PM »
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 10:30:40 PM »
Yes.

Last tour, for example, more than 230 players. About the same as the Ju-88 and apparently many more than the G4M  :old:
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 10:36:46 PM »
Yes.

Last tour, for example, more than 230 players. About the same as the Ju-88 and apparently many more than the G4M  :old:
230...   :huh   :headscratch: you sure that's correct?
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 10:39:28 PM »
We don't have sortie numbers, so 'number of uses' could only be roughly estimated by k+d

But as you were asking "Does anybody really use this thing anymore?":





230...   :huh   :headscratch: you sure that's correct?

The plane stats page is only a few clicks away for you as well ;)
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 10:42:37 PM »
We don't have sortie numbers, so 'number of uses' could only be roughly estimated by k+d

But as you were asking "Does anybody really use this thing anymore?":


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The plane stats page is only a few clicks away for you as well ;)
I guess.... I never see the thing in flight though... it's like seeing a 262 without 15 ponies on it
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 11:25:46 PM »
I saw one last Friday night, and I fly in the MA once in a blue moon.
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2013, 12:09:55 AM »
It's my main bomber  :rock  111 for life yo!
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2013, 08:25:58 PM »
We don't have sortie numbers, so 'number of uses' could only be roughly estimated by k+d

But as you were asking "Does anybody really use this thing anymore?":


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The plane stats page is only a few clicks away for you as well ;)

I'm suprised the Ki67 gets so little use.

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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 01:41:49 AM »
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 06:18:49 AM »
LWA...whats that?

http://ahevents.org/fso-current-next-event.html


I've heard of this LWA... I read about it in the elders scrolls... :rofl
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 06:42:43 AM »
It has its uses.  Just because it has minimal defensive capabilities does not mean it is not worth taking.  It is great for a lot of things, just dont plan on getting too high too fast, and dont plan on getting to the target the fastest either.  It climbs well enough to 10k, but above that it really tapers off.

Once to 17k, it can cruise along in the 250-260 range depending on weight, but its biggest Achilles heel is the lack of defensive armament.     

Like everything in AH, it has its merits.  An escort fighter does it wonders though.   :aok
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 07:16:49 AM »
Like everything in AH, it has its merits.
Not that I disagree with it being added, but....

What merits does it have in AH as compared to other bombers, particularly the B-26B which seems to be the leader in that category.
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 12:11:46 PM »
Why up a Ju-88 instead of an He-111?
Why up a He-111 instead of a Ju-88?

B-24's are the most intimidating to me (in a fighter), why does anyone up anything other than a B-24?

When I'm in a Ju-88 or He-11, it seems that any other bombers land more damage than I do.
When players land bombers, are Perk points awarded considering the plane?
Or does it only go by Tonage of bombs dropped? and number of air to air kills?
Do heavy bombers get points for killing GV's?

Could a guy that flies ONLY Ju-88s or He-111s EVER EVER EVER get #1 bomber ranking?
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 12:55:54 PM »
Why up a Ju-88 instead of an He-111?
Higher performance, more effective defenses.

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Why up a He-111 instead of a Ju-88?
Larger effective bomb load, longer range.

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B-24's are the most intimidating to me (in a fighter), why does anyone up anything other than a B-24?
Fragile.  B-24s are easy kills compared to B-17s and Lancasters carry more while being able to take more. 

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When I'm in a Ju-88 or He-11, it seems that any other bombers land more damage than I do.
What are you bombing?  If you want high damage spam on landing you need to bomb town centers.

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When players land bombers, are Perk points awarded considering the plane?
Or does it only go by Tonage of bombs dropped? and number of air to air kills?
Kind of.  Bomb load determines the OBJ score which is what perks from objects are based on.  ENY determines how many perks you get for air-to-air kills.
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Do heavy bombers get points for killing GV's?
Yes, based on the respective ENY values of the tank and bomber in question.

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Could a guy that flies ONLY Ju-88s or He-111s EVER EVER EVER get #1 bomber ranking?
No idea.  I've never gone for ranking.
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Re: Does anybody really use this thing anymore?
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 12:57:56 PM »
Not that I disagree with it being added, but....

What merits does it have in AH as compared to other bombers, particularly the B-26B which seems to be the leader in that category.
Increased perk points for example. Say you want to pork barracks at a vehicle field. 8x500lb for the B26 and 8x250kg for the He111 are pretty equal in this role. You can destroy 6 barracks, a Storch hangar and at least one field gun in a single run. Both bombers do equal damage, but the He111 gives more perks. Don`t remember how much or how little more. If you manage to shoot down a fighter in a He111 then that gives you even more perks. Some don`t care about the ranking or score and want to fly different planes.

He111 looks different and for some maybe cooler than the B26. He111 could be used for some strange fun stuff, like strafing soft targets with 6 20mm cannons in a shallow descent angle. I hope to experiment with this some time in the future.

To answer the original question. Yes people use it. It was my ride for the entire BoB scenario. It is probably used in many other special events too. For me this is one of those iconic planes that are necessary in some events, especially the BoB.
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