Does anybody really use this thing anymore?

[chris3]

Why can't the B-17 with six 1000lbers or the B-24 with eight 1000lbers or four 2000lbers do so?

because you cant in one pass 

the ju 88 can kill 3 FHs at the same time, at a smal field and close it no other bomber can do that. all big one need top turne and so an evecktive downtime from only 10 minets is left,  at using the ju 88 you can work out a downtime from 15 minuts for your team.

btw ju 88 carrys 3000kgs ;-)  its much more as the b17 does and because the 50kgs  do have a higher punch for its size your hangars kill ability is much better as in a b17 and b24,  you cant kill 7 hangars in a b17 and b24. because of the size of the b24 you need to drop 2 bombs to make a sure hangar kill. but in a junkers its relativ easy to kill 7 hangars.

the junkes is the best taktikal alaround bomber with the best abilitys, a multi tool to attack and take v- fields and a very usefull tool for suporting attacks on airvields.

by the why, the defensive bower is ofter an argument against it, but if you learned the aiming its quit efectiv. because its a smal bird all gunns do have a good agael on an upcoming enemy that means if all 12 gunns hiting the enmy at the converganze point, he will diea easyly,  but sure its much harder as in the other bombers. ony the combination of speed, guns and turnability makes the defens in the junkers.
In the easy mode Bombers you only have gunns 

cu christian

[Karnak]

If you can do three hangars in a straight line then the B-17 can do it.  If you can't quite then the larger blast radius of the B-24's 2000lb bombs might allow it to do so.

Are you saying the Ju88 can do it because it can make a turn in mid pass?

[chris3]

ok, again, smal airfield one pass , all hangars down 
thay are not in a straight line
no other bomber can do this, belive me.

aim on 2 hangaer in lvl flight, and than dive down to kill the third. mostly the third get down bevor the two first :-)
if everthink works well you still have 6 small bombs for deacking and one big for anti gving.

sure but if you put the 2000 lbs  you only can kill 4 hangars,  wow, a junkers can do nearly twice of them.   thats the point im talking about.  the junkers do have much more abilitys the most never expected.

cu christian

[Karnak]

Ah, a dive bombing.

So it can do it, but probably not in most people's hands.

[chris3]

hi

jes thats right because the most dont now the posibilitys the most dont try.  thats the sad story of the junkers.

hope this talking will change it a bit :-)

cu christian

[Karnak]

I used to use the Ju88 a fair bit, but the change to AH2 which eliminated the hit bubbles (a very good thing to be clear) made it a lot harder to shoot down enemy fighters.  Now when I use a bomber I find myself gravitating towards the Ki-67, G4M1 and Mosquito Mk XVI.  The Ju88s versatility just isn't enough to make up for its low performance and defenses.

[R 105]

 

The He 111 is the prettiest looking bomber in AH. 

 

[Franz Von Werra]

To summarize, if the He-111 could fire both of its forward facing 20mm's from the pilot's seat... it might become the most kills bomber in the game! 

[Ack-Ack]

If you choose 50% fuel, then you need to burn some off by doing a climb out to get some alt that ya should have anyways. (another good reason for fuelburn 1x!)

It's obvious you don't understand the difference between the 1x and 2x fuel burn rates if you think having a 1x burn fuel rate is going to burn more gas in a climb than the 2x rate that is set in the MA.

ack-ack

[Karnak]

To summarize, if the He-111 could fire both of its forward facing 20mm's from the pilot's seat... it might become the most kills bomber in the game! 

Sorry, no.  MG/FFs aren't going to get it that.  The B-26's roughly equivalent, better ballistics, quad of .50s doesn't help it that much.

[Franz Von Werra]

Ack-Ack, I do...
at fuelburn 1x:
If you bring 25% fuel in a ju88, YOU CAN TURN PLENTY ENOUGH to combat fighters, but you run out of fuel within minutes.
If you bring 50% fuel in a ju88, YOUR TURNING WON'T BE ENOUGH to combat fighters; hence, getting alt would help because 1)alt always helps, 2) you will be able to turn!
At fuelburn 2x:
You get the best of both, turny and duration!

Karnak, uh, yeaAH, allow me to restate!
An He-111's DOUBLE 20mm's WILL BE ALOT BETTER THAN THE JU-88's SINGLE 7.9mm!!! Oooohhhkaaay! Thanks!

BooOOOooOOOooo that any bomber can't fire AT LEAST its forward facing guns... guns being able to PIVOT makes them a WEAKNESS in here!

Which plane is more likely to surivive a head on attack?  
The one with the bigger guns? nooooOOOooOO!  

And Chris3, post how to do that please! The flight path, alt, etc! 

[BaldEagl]

Ack-Ack, I do...
at fuelburn 1x:
If you bring 25% fuel in a ju88, YOU CAN TURN PLENTY ENOUGH to combat fighters, but you run out of fuel within minutes.
If you bring 50% fuel in a ju88, YOUR TURNING WON'T BE ENOUGH to combat fighters; hence, getting alt would help because 1)alt always helps, 2) you will be able to turn!
At fuelburn 2x:
You get the best of both, turny and duration!

No.  Fuel burn 2x burns fuel twice as fast as 1x so at 1x you'd be able to climb to the same alt and have the same duration at 25% as you do now at 2x/50% but you'd be lighter through most of your sortie.

[Franz Von Werra]

I got my 1x and 2x backwards, but yeah, exactly what you said. Thx

[Karnak]

Karnak, uh, yeaAH, allow me to restate!
An He-111's DOUBLE 20mm's WILL BE ALOT BETTER THAN THE JU-88's SINGLE 7.9mm!!! Oooohhhkaaay! Thanks!

BooOOOooOOOooo that any bomber can't fire AT LEAST its forward facing guns... guns being able to PIVOT makes them a WEAKNESS in here!

Which plane is more likely to surivive a head on attack?  
The one with the bigger guns? nooooOOOooOO!  

Allow me to restate.

You claimed that if the two MG/FFs could be fired by the pilot in a fixed forward manner that the He111 might end up as the bomber with the most kills.

This is false.  The B-26, which has more power and superior forward firepower (yes, four .50s are superior to two MG/FFs for dogfighting due to ballistics), is not significantly aided by having said .50s.  It stands to follow that the He111 would similarly not benefit from the two 20mm cannons.  The Ju88 does not enter into the conversation.

As to your added note about which is more likely to survive the head on, that is moot in the case of the He111 as it has no significant rear defenses for a fighter to be concerned with.

[Shifty]

B-17 seems to have it's advantages, I've noticed B-24 engines are pretty sensitive to damage...

Agreed, I find all you have to do to B-24s is get a few rounds in an engine and they flame up. B-17s and B-26s are the bombers that give me the most problems.