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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2013, 06:54:47 PM »
Uh, welcome to 7 weeks ago. Since then, the Mail on Sunday and several other papers which followed their report verbatim have been obliged to print climb-downs, as the error was made by the paper, not by the IPCC.

We're fortunate enough down here to have a national-broadcaster program dedicated entirely to keeping media honest (and, before you ask, yes, they also lance their own colleagues when required).

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3854782.htm

Hasn't stopped one shock-jock from repeating the original, erroneous, and since-corrected-elsewhere claims, but he's known to struggle with the truth, and has had to answer both to the licensing authorities and the courts on previous occasions.

Ah.  Good catch.  What about the ice?  None of the articles talk about that being in the report.  It only talks of temp changes.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2013, 07:23:50 PM »
Don't know, was it in the IPCC report?

All I know about ice is from NASA, which says N ice cap is up from a record low last year, still sixth lowest on record and well below the 30-year average.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2013, 07:54:43 PM »
Don't know, was it in the IPCC report?

All I know about ice is from NASA, which says N ice cap is up from a record low last year, still sixth lowest on record and well below the 30-year average.

Ya that's what was on the IPCC report along with Antarctic ice aggression numbers.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2013, 10:07:28 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2013, 11:42:53 PM »
A lie gets half way around the world before the truth gets its trousers on.

There is no lie in the ice situation...unless of course you're smarter than NASA.  I suppose you could be smarter than NASA but I'm thinking pretty much.....................no.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2013, 01:34:48 AM »
With regards to the ice basically they did what climate change sceptics allways do and pointed to a very small slice of the overall trend, in this case the annual seasonal trend.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/09/10/the-daily-mail-is-wrong-the-earth-keeps-warming/
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2013, 02:02:58 AM »
Its all because americans have big cars :old:
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2013, 02:38:32 AM »
Its all because americans have big cars :old:

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2013, 07:06:08 AM »
There is measurable evidence that the earth has an ice age/non-ice age recurring cycle. 20000 years with ice age, 10000 years non-iceage. So yes the planet itself is in constant flux.

The idea that our actions as a tech species does not affect climate change is plain ignorant however. Herd animals cover wide territories because they will and do eat themselves out of house and home, so they look for greener pastures. Humans as a species have taken over the entire planet to the point that we no longer have greener pastures to turn too.
ie: the Mayan Indians of South America, changed their environment so much that their culture was no longer sustainable, it disappeared. They cut down so many trees that their farm lands became silted over.

Our current dilemma is very similar. We are cutting down trees at a fast rate. The rainforests of the world are disappearing. There is no more old growth forests left in America, except the Sequoias. Trees eat green house gases and expel oxygen. Animal life on this planet is a direct result from trees. Trees enmass are heat sinks and water sinks. Remove the trees and the heats stays in the atmosphere, water levels in the ocean increase. The artic and Antarctic icecaps are disappearing, this increases water levels.

We today will not pay the price for our species voracious behavior. We will be our own extinction event in the future if we as a species refuse to open our eyes today. We need to step out of our animal behavior and step into a common sense approach as to how we use our earth's resources, or else we get what we deserve.
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Those that deny this the most are probably those that benefit the most in our society. History is full of examples where we impacted the environment locally. Now we cover the planet, we impact the environment globally. Common sense dictates..................... .......................

interesting point.  have you considered americas treatment of its timber lots over the past 60 years?  the intelligent decision is hardly being fought for.  Humans could manage there land better. 

consider some points...

banning people from harvesting wood is a violation of life.

Natural woodlands would burn and control themselves.

If we acted like natural fires we could make a nice forest.

Again, "step into a common sense approach as to how we use our earth's resources" is hard to come by.

especially if you consider your view is more important than a brazilian farmer.  :bolt:


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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 11:46:02 AM »
Its all because americans have big cars :old:
This yank's motorcar was built in Coventry, it has a V-12 and leaks a quart of oil per month.  :neener:
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2013, 11:57:32 AM »
Sure, there is no pollution/man made warming problem. Keep your head in the sand I'm sure the future generations will be grateful for that.

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2013, 04:00:43 PM »
Global temperatures were greater during part of the Roman Empire than they are today, and during times of the dinosaurs, CO2 in the atmosphere was many times higher than now.  400M years ago, it was 10 times higher than today.

We might need more CO2 in the atmosphere to mitigate the next ice age.  ;)

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2013, 04:39:27 PM »
 :uhoh

We may have tipped the iceberg

http://nation.time.com/2013/10/22/efficiency-natural-gas-keep-pushing-u-s-carbon-emissions-down/



Us is burning more natural gas in place of coal the last decade and as a result emitted less co2.



Total energy consumption is trending down in all sectors.

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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2013, 06:47:30 PM »
Unfortunately, the scientific community is not objective as they should be. Know who paid for a study, know who is paying a scientists paycheck and you can make an educated guess on which way the conclusions will fall out.

One big telltale about the increase in our planets mean temp is the fact that the oceans mean temp, the biggest Earth heat sink going, has risen 1 degree. This is measurable. Coral reefs are dying from the increase in temp. From Florida to the great barrier reef, all are at hazard. This is the bottom of the worlds food chain with issues. One cannot look at year to year fluxuations, its the longer spans of time that show trends.

500 years from now, Earth's crude oil will be depleted. Oil is the basis for so many modern day materials that to burn it in cars is insane behavior. As oil disappears all things will cost more, food and materials alike. Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel combustion engine to run on peanut oil, PEANUT OIL! Cannot get anymore renewable than that. Yet...................... Rudolph Diesel boarded a boat, I forget to where, he never got off that boat, he disappeared while on the water, never to be seen again.

Henry Fords wife drove an electric car. Imagine where battery tech would be now if we did not discover crude oil or had it forced on us by the few who reap the profits.

Now mistakes happen, we learn, we grow, we progress, hopefully. But once the obvious has been pointed out, those mistakes should not be allowed to perpetuate further. Whats the definition of insanity...............doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result..............

Right now our culture is about making billionaires, not everyone can be a billionaire. Why do peeps need more money than there are people on the planet?
Why do we consistently allow the ships captain to guzzle moonshine, whilest at the helm, at low tide, in reef infested waters?
Its beyond me.
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Re: Global.....Cooling?
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2013, 05:49:23 AM »
Unfortunately, the scientific community is not objective as they should be. Know who paid for a study, know who is paying a scientists paycheck and you can make an educated guess on which way the conclusions will fall out.

One big telltale about the increase in our planets mean temp is the fact that the oceans mean temp, the biggest Earth heat sink going, has risen 1 degree. This is measurable. Coral reefs are dying from the increase in temp. From Florida to the great barrier reef, all are at hazard. This is the bottom of the worlds food chain with issues. One cannot look at year to year fluxuations, its the longer spans of time that show trends.

500 years from now, Earth's crude oil will be depleted. Oil is the basis for so many modern day materials that to burn it in cars is insane behavior. As oil disappears all things will cost more, food and materials alike. Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel combustion engine to run on peanut oil, PEANUT OIL! Cannot get anymore renewable than that. Yet...................... Rudolph Diesel boarded a boat, I forget to where, he never got off that boat, he disappeared while on the water, never to be seen again.

Henry Fords wife drove an electric car. Imagine where battery tech would be now if we did not discover crude oil or had it forced on us by the few who reap the profits.

Now mistakes happen, we learn, we grow, we progress, hopefully. But once the obvious has been pointed out, those mistakes should not be allowed to perpetuate further. Whats the definition of insanity...............doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result..............

Right now our culture is about making billionaires, not everyone can be a billionaire. Why do peeps need more money than there are people on the planet?
Why do we consistently allow the ships captain to guzzle moonshine, whilest at the helm, at low tide, in reef infested waters?
Its beyond me.

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