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Offline earl1937

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« on: November 02, 2013, 04:23:02 PM »
 :airplane: One of the great under reported history of the early war years in the South Pacific was the saga of the Gruman FM2 "wildcat". As time and events unfolded during the war,and because of more faster and better fighters, the FM2 was assigned duty on small escort carriers from mid 1943 until the end of the war.


The Wildcat was generally outperformed by the Mitsubishi Zero, its major opponent in the early part of the Pacific Theater, but held its own partly because, with relatively heavy armor and self-sealing fuel tanks, the Grumman airframe could survive far more damage than its lightweight, unarmored Japanese rival. Many U.S. Navy fighter pilots also were saved by the Wildcat's ZB homing device, which allowed them to find their carriers in poor visibility, provided they could get within the 30 mi (48 km) range of the homing beacon.

In the hands of an expert pilot using tactical advantage, the Wildcat could prove to be a difficult foe even against the formidable Zero. After analyzing Fleet Air Tactical Unit Intelligence Bureau reports describing the new carrier fighter, USN Commander "Jimmy" Thach devised a defensive strategy that allowed Wildcat formations to act in a coordinated maneuver to counter a diving attack, called the "Thach Weave.


Note the size of the man in the cockpit to give you some reference as to how small this aircraft was.

Grumman's Wildcat production ceased in early 1943 to make way for the newer F6F Hellcat, but General Motors continued producing Wildcats for both U.S. Navy and Fleet Air Arm use. At first, GM produced the FM-1 (identical to the F4F-4, but with four guns). Production later switched to the improved FM-2 (based on Grumman's XF4F-8 prototype) optimized for small-carrier operations, with a more powerful engine, and a taller tail to cope with the increased torque.

From 1943 onward, Wildcats equipped with bomb racks were primarily assigned to escort carriers for use against submarines and attacking ground targets, though they would also continue to score kills against Japanese fighters, bombers and kamikaze aircraft. Larger fighters such as the Hellcat and the Corsair and dedicated dive bombers were needed aboard fleet carriers, and the Wildcat's slower landing speed made it more suitable for shorter flight decks.

In the Battle off Samar on 25 October 1944, escort carriers of Task Unit 77.4.3 ("Taffy 3") and their escort of destroyers and destroyer escorts found themselves as the sole force standing between vulnerable troop transport and supply ships engaged in landings on the Philippine island of Leyte and a powerful Japanese surface fleet of battleships and cruisers. In desperation, lightly armed Avengers and FM-2 Wildcats from Taffys 1, 2 and 3 resorted to tactics such as strafing ships, including the bridge of the Japanese battleship Yamato, while the destroyers and destroyer escorts charged the enemy. Confused by the fierce resistance, the Japanese fleet eventually withdrew from the battle.

Four U.S. Marine Corps Wildcats played a prominent role in the defence of Wake Island in December 1941. USN and USMC aircraft formed the fleet's primary air defense during the Battles of Coral Sea and Midway, and land-based Wildcats played a major role during the Guadalcanal Campaign of 1942–43. It was not until 1943 that more advanced naval fighters capable of taking on the Zero on more even terms, the Grumman F6F Hellcat and Vought F4U Corsair, reached the South Pacific theatre.

 7,860 Wildcats were built. During the course of the war, Navy and Marine F4Fs and FMs flew 15,553 combat sorties (14,027 of these from aircraft carriers, destroying 1,327 enemy aircraft at a cost of 178 aerial losses, 24 to ground/shipboard fire, and 49 to operational causes (an overall kill-to-loss ratio of 6.9:1). True to their escort fighter role, Wildcats dropped only 154 tons of bombs during the war.

This little fighter here in Aces High is a highly respected opponent in aerial combat, as in the hands of a capable pilot, this thing is hard to kill!
« Last Edit: November 02, 2013, 04:27:56 PM by earl1937 »
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Re: FM2
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2013, 04:51:32 PM »
Thanks for the info earl! :salute
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2013, 05:04:38 PM »
The FM-2 really is one of the hidden gems of the planeset. Good gun package, easy to fly, quite maneuverable, very hard to hit, and can take a hell of a beating even when you can get a shot in. It's still slow and not a remarkable climber (though much improved over the F4F-4), but is nonetheless a damn fine machine all-around, and one of my favorite "scramble" birds if I'm headed into a low-level fight near my takeoff point.

Still hoping when the Wildcats get remodeled they add a true F4F-3, tho.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2013, 05:34:52 PM »
The FM-2 really is one of the hidden gems of the planeset. Good gun package, easy to fly, quite maneuverable, very hard to hit, and can take a hell of a beating even when you can get a shot in. It's still slow and not a remarkable climber (though much improved over the F4F-4), but is nonetheless a damn fine machine all-around, and one of my favorite "scramble" birds if I'm headed into a low-level fight near my takeoff point.

Still hoping when the Wildcats get remodeled they add a true F4F-3, tho.
The F4F-4 and FM2 are suspiciously tough in AH in my opinion.  Aluminum and steel are, ultimately, just aluminum and steel and there is only so much you can do with a given amount to make an aircraft tougher.  The F4F and FM2 are about the same mass as a Spitfire, yet manage to be, perhaps, two or three times as durable as a Spitfire.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2013, 06:23:22 PM »
With 75% internal and the four gun package the F4F-4 has almost the exact same performance as the FM2 except for not having WEP.  Considering that loss of additional performance I prefer the F4F-4 as the better perk farmer.

As to a comparison against a Spitfire the Spit is a larger aircraft and they didn't call it the Grumman Iron Works for no reason.

I love those Grumman aircraft but the F4F/FM2 are too slow to be effective in many MA situations.  Even the F6F is sometimes too slow.  If you're going to fly these planes then you're going to stand and fight no matter what's thrown at you because you're not going to be able to disengage.

My best sortie in a FM2; 7 kills landed in base defense followed by 4 more immediately after.  My most recent fun in an F4F-4; me on 8-10 near an enemy airfield a week or two ago... quite memorable.  In fact most of my most memorable fights when vastly outnumbered have been in the F4F or FM2.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2013, 06:38:02 PM »
The F4F-4 and FM2 are suspiciously tough in AH in my opinion.  Aluminum and steel are, ultimately, just aluminum and steel and there is only so much you can do with a given amount to make an aircraft tougher.  The F4F and FM2 are about the same mass as a Spitfire, yet manage to be, perhaps, two or three times as durable as a Spitfire.

It isn't just materials, but how it's all put together, too. Carrier birds tend to be overbuilt compared to land-based machines just to survive the rough handling they go through through normal operations, it's really no surprise that it would lead to an aircraft that's tougher all around (case in point: as lightly built as the Zero is, it's STILL more durable than the Ki-43).

I love those Grumman aircraft but the F4F/FM2 are too slow to be effective in many MA situations.  Even the F6F is sometimes too slow.  If you're going to fly these planes then you're going to stand and fight no matter what's thrown at you because you're not going to be able to disengage.

That's why the FM-2 is my go-to bird for defense. Don't have to go far, base is right there if I've got to run, decent if not spectacular climb to altitude. And a ton of ammunition.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2013, 07:26:10 PM »
The FM-2 is actually a mid to late war bird that was intended for escort carrier use. It should not be confused with the F4f as they really are two different animals with the FM-2 having a superior climb rate and a slightly better top speed. I find the FM-2 to be a better turner than the F4f, but that is just a personal seat of the pants feeling with no hard data to back it up.

Grumman is known as the iron works for a reason. They have a reputation for building very rugged aircraft that can take a beating and still make it home.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2013, 07:28:46 PM »
The FM-2 is actually a mid to late war bird that was intended for escort carrier use. It should not be confused with the F4f as they really are two different animals with the FM-2 having a superior climb rate and a slightly better top speed. I find the FM-2 to be a better turner than the F4f, but that is just a personal seat of the pants feeling with no hard data to back it up.

Grumman is known as the iron works for a reason. They have a reputation for building very rugged aircraft that can take a beating and still make it home.
Oh, I think it should be more rugged, no doubt of that.  I just think it is exaggerated.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2013, 07:57:54 PM »
I find the FM-2 to be a better turner than the F4f, but that is just a personal seat of the pants feeling with no hard data to back it up.

The F4F-4 suffered the same problem as the F2A-3, if not as badly, and was really a little too heavy for its power plant. What you're probably experiencing is that the FM-2 has a bit more power (1350hp as opposed to 1200) and a little less weight, so won't bleed energy as badly during maneuvers. The FM-2 has power to spare to throw it through maneuvers, while the F4F-4 starts to feel sluggish during extended maneuvering.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2013, 08:13:08 PM »
The F4F-4 suffered the same problem as the F2A-3, if not as badly, and was really a little too heavy for its power plant. What you're probably experiencing is that the FM-2 has a bit more power (1350hp as opposed to 1200) and a little less weight, so won't bleed energy as badly during maneuvers. The FM-2 has power to spare to throw it through maneuvers, while the F4F-4 starts to feel sluggish during extended maneuvering.


That's quite possible, like I said it was a seat of the pants feeling with no quantitative data to back it up.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2013, 11:20:28 PM »
Bob Barker, the former host of "The Price is Right" was an FM-2 pilot during WW2.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2013, 11:49:36 PM »
I hope the F4F and FM2 update is coming soon. I really do enjoy flying those planes, but they've still got AH1 modeling. :cry

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2013, 11:56:46 PM »
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And how would you like to have this day in the MA?

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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2013, 02:55:44 AM »
Bob Barker, the former host of "The Price is Right" was an FM-2 pilot during WW2.
:airplane: I didn't know that and FYI, Bob is making a current TV come back! Along this same line, many famous people flew for the U.S. during WW2, James Stewart, Clark Cable, Smokey Yunick, (not sure name spelled right), Sen. McGovern, former President candidate, who flew B-24's in N. Africa and Italy. I am sure I have missed mentioning some more people who are worthy of mention, but can't remember them right now. Of course, we also have to remember the "The Lone Eagle", Chas Lindburg, who, although a civilian, flew some combat missions in the South Pacific in both the P-38 and the F4U aircraft.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2013, 04:57:49 PM »
I hope the F4F and FM2 update is coming soon. I really do enjoy flying those planes, but they've still got AH1 modeling. :cry


I also hope they separate the F4F-3/4 airframe as well.
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