WWII fighter tactics monkey floggers!

[wpeters]

To clarify, I'm not speaking about anything "in game."

However, at the same I do realize that HT has taken the greatest efforts to yield a near real life simulation based on each aircraft's available/applicable data.

What I'm saying is go read more LW accounts before you close the book and finally, come to your own conclusions.

 

+1     HTC has made a great flight sim

[USCH]

I've met two P-38 pilots both of whom flew in Italy and they both said they could out turn the 109's just by cutting power to the one side. As for the 51. People have stated over the years, it wasn't the best at anything. But it was the fact that it was good enough at EVERYTHING. We all know the K-4 out climbs it, and the 190 out rolls it. And bla bla, IMO ya high speed and one notch of flaps the 51 will out turn it.

After that, it's all pilot.

[FLOOB]

True what you are saying.  But remember this.

They were out turning the 109 in a 38 to the left..  I don't care who you are if you are in a stall fight in 109 you will notice that engine torque will snap you around in right hand turn at extremely low speed.   Listen to what he is saying. They were turning those 109s in right hand turns under 80 mph.  There is no way that 109 will stay with you, especially if it is a k4.

3  Most P-51 battles started at high speed with the 109. If P 51 can get a 109 compressing it is extremely easy to get on there six.  Also remember that the P-51b is a extremely good in a Turn fight.  A p51 in skilled hands can do it especially with high speed flaps.  More important was the fact that toward the end of the war most of Luft. pilots were nubes.  

In ah the p51d out turns the p51b. You can verify this with bootstrap. Nube means African American, it's slang for Nubian.

[Gray]

Anyone have any idea precisely what it is in the wing of the Fw 190 at the start of the clip which explodes? I've seen a number of guncam sequences where something in the Wurger's wing goes boom, have never figured out what.

The 190s had wing spar weaknesses even without getting shot to pieces.     I believe I read that the pilots were restricted on flight speed and g-load because of this flaw.

[Ack-Ack]

You certainly wouldnt be seeing a P38 in a turn fight with a 109, however yes it did outdive and out run the 109s.

Are you sure about that?  This is from an AAR of a P-38 pilot from the 370th FG describing a dogfight with a few Bf 109s that bounced them from above.

Lt. Royal Madden 370th FG, July 31, 1944

“Approximately 15 Me 109s came down on Blue Flight and we broke left. I then made a vertical right turn and observed Blue Two below and close and Blue Four was ahead and slightly above me. I glanced behind me and saw four Me 109s closing on my tail fast and within range so I broke left and down in a Split S. I used flaps to get out and pulled up and to the left. I then noticed a single Me 109 on my tail and hit the deck in a sharp spiral.

We seemed to be the only two planes around so we proceeded to mix it up in a good old-fashioned dogfight at about 1000 feet. This boy was good and he had me plenty worried as he sat on my tail for about five minutes, but I managed to keep him from getting any deflection. I was using maneuvering flaps often and finally got inside of him. I gave him a short burst at 60 degrees, but saw I was slightly short so I took about 2 radii lead at about 150 yards and gave him a good long burst. There were strikes on the cockpit and all over the ship and the canopy came off. He rolled over on his back and seemed out of control so I closed in and was about to give him a burst at 0 deflection when he bailed out at 800 feet.

Having lost the squadron I hit the deck for home. Upon landing I learned that my two 500 pound bombs had not released when I had tried to jettison them upon being jumped. As a result I carried them throughout the fight.”

ack-ack

[ReVo]

It's interesting to hear Allied pilots opinions of their aircraft and their superiority over the German rides considering how far down Wikipedia's list of WWII Aces you have to go before you find somebody who isn't German much less find somebody who is American.

I am certainly glad that my side won but I am of the opinion that it was the lack of serviceable aircraft, properly trained replacement pilots, and poor decision making by Luftwaffe command, combined with the overwhelming numbers of planes they were facing that won the day.

[USCH]

It's interesting to hear Allied pilots opinions of their aircraft and their superiority over the German rides considering how far down Wikipedia's list of WWII Aces you have to go before you find somebody who isn't German much less find somebody who is American.

I am certainly glad that my side won but I am of the opinion that it was the lack of serviceable aircraft, properly trained replacement pilots, and poor decision making by Luftwaffe command, combined with the overwhelming numbers of planes they were facing that won the day.

now I agree with you Germany had great pilots, but the fact that kill volume is somehow your way of saying who is good or not...

I go skeet shooting with 2 guys (when I have funds) not often, but I out shoot my good dear friends most every time. God help them, they have always shot more often, they should be better..

As my name would state, I'm a Heartman fan, but the fact that he had a lot of easy targets can't be denied. Read his book, and he even had a honey hole shooting guys from a training field.

That being said we also know most Germans and Russians never rotated home, they flew 1-2hr missions sometimes 5-6 times a day. And Americans who flew 1 mission and averaged less than one per day, and had even at the end they only had a max of under 100missions.

So to say U.S. Pilots or aircraft are somehow not as good, is just silly.

Case in point, I'm willing to bet I'm better than you in game, but my PC broke, and I'd rather make sure my child is well cared for befor I fix my toy.
(Who cares if this is a correct statement) reverse me for you, if it makes you feel better. But that's what your implying with your statement of Aces.

[RotBaron]

now I agree with you Germany had great pilots, but the fact that kill volume is somehow your way of saying who is good or not...

I go skeet shooting with 2 guys (when I have funds) not often, but I out shoot my good dear friends most every time. God help them, they have always shot more often, they should be better..

As my name would state, I'm a Heartman fan, but the fact that he had a lot of easy targets can't be denied. Read his book, and he even had a honey hole shooting guys from a training field.

That being said we also know most Germans and Russians never rotated home, they flew 1-2hr missions sometimes 5-6 times a day. And Americans who flew 1 mission and averaged less than one per day, and had even at the end they only had a max of under 100missions.

So to say U.S. Pilots or aircraft are somehow not as good, is just silly.

You mean Erich Hartmann? Kind of hard to tell what you are saying, the last

Case in point, I'm willing to bet I'm better than you in game, but my PC broke, and I'd rather make sure my child is well cared for befor I fix my toy.
(Who cares if this is a correct statement) reverse me for you, if it makes you feel better. But that's what your implying with your statement of Aces.

You mean Erich Hartmann? Kind of hard to tell what you are saying in the end. I was with you up 'til the last part and now I'm not sure anymore.

A fact being neglected is having two of your three top bosses addicted to drugs and looney out their minds was probably not a good thing for LW pilots.

[Zoney]

I am Hartmann

[Shifty]

I am Hartmann

Sure you are Bubi.  

[Vraciu]

I am Hartmann

No, I'm Spartacus!