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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2013, 04:30:44 PM »
I'll be on later tonight if you are going to be on.  I have:

1.  Kids baseball (last tourney)
2.  Steak to grill (Kabobs marinated with zucc, squash, tomatoes, onions and brocc)
3.  Watch LSU beat A&M because Johnny "wad" Football blows
4.  Get the Christmas stuff out of the attic so the family can be ready to attack it immediately after Thanksgiving.

Im thinking 930CDT

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Aside from the food, I'm glad I don't have to worry about any of that today.  :salute
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2013, 04:41:42 PM »
Aside from the food, I'm glad I don't have to worry about any of that today.  :salute

Agreed.  I haven't had turkey yet and Christmas just isn't working quite yet for me, lol
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2013, 05:58:20 PM »
Because vis in the F6F is so awesomesauce! lol.  The vis in the F6F is soo bad...Dodger lives longer in a LA7 on the deck with FULL FLAPS deployed than he does in the F6F (he's one of the best F6F guys in the game).  If that doesn't tell you vis is a problem that will cause death, I don't know what will!!

This is very true. The Hellcat is not as effective in the MA these days imo . 1-1 it can still take on almost anything . But in multi-con engagements it has 2 problems that combine to hinder your survival  , the views , which restrict your SA at times , and the fact that you are slower than 90% of the planes being flown , you just can't get out of there even if you do manage to see that you should.   I flew a few sorties in la7's and spit 16's last night and the fact that you have an escape from trouble option just makes such a huge difference in todays MA.

I've also found  (and it might be being paranoid) that hellcats seem to be high on peoples priority kill list as a nice easy target . They are big ,slow ,  can't get away , generally easy to shoot at . Give me a choice between trying to get guns on a Yak and guns on a hellcat , I know myself , I'd be thinking "Kill the fattest one first"

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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2013, 07:56:07 PM »
Yeah but the F6 probably looked better on the way down.  :lol

Yes...I agree I cut a more stylish profile as my dark blue plane exploded into fragments.     :lol
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2013, 08:10:10 PM »
Because vis in the F6F is so awesomesauce! lol.  The vis in the F6F is soo bad...Dodger lives longer in a LA7 on the deck with FULL FLAPS deployed than he does in the F6F (he's one of the best F6F guys in the game).  If that doesn't tell you vis is a problem that will cause death, I don't know what will!!


When I fly the F6 I consider the rearward visibility to be a bonus i.e. one less thing to check or worry about!
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2013, 09:40:47 PM »
Because vis in the F6F is so awesomesauce!


If you fly it some, you'll get used to it.

Shouldn't matter that much anyway, if you're thinking about what your pursuer is going to do next.

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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2013, 10:05:51 PM »
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2013, 03:32:49 AM »
The F6f rear via is not a big problem in a fight as much as it is in transit. In a fight I  much more vigilant in my SA and frequent turns allow you to check 6. In transit I often had players sneak up my low 6 when I am not looking around as often and hold straight and level.
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2013, 09:12:05 AM »
I can answer this question with stats..

Over the last 12 tours where I flew the F6F (where I score at least one kill), I have 415 kills and 11 deaths. That's a 37.7 to 1 ratio.

Kills were divided about equal between air to air and air to ground. Most losses were to ground fire.

The F6F-5 is a very capable fighter and jabo. It has no serious weakness beyond a poor rear view. If you have good ACM and SA skills and know the Hellcat's strengths and limitations, you can be very successful in the MA.
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2013, 11:33:49 AM »
I can answer this question with stats..


Ohhh stats, can I do too?  :x


This year so far (156-165), the F6F has 159 kills on the P-47D-11 while the 47 has 231 kills on the F6  :noid
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2013, 11:58:56 AM »

Ohhh stats, can I do too?  :x


This year so far (156-165), the F6F has 159 kills on the P-47D-11 while the 47 has 231 kills on the F6  :noid


I wonder if that's because f6 is more likely coming from cv's heavy

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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2013, 12:25:25 PM »
I can answer this question with stats..

Over the last 12 tours where I flew the F6F (where I score at least one kill), I have 415 kills and 11 deaths. That's a 37.7 to 1 ratio.

Kills were divided about equal between air to air and air to ground. Most losses were to ground fire.

The F6F-5 is a very capable fighter and jabo. It has no serious weakness beyond a poor rear view. If you have good ACM and SA skills and know the Hellcat's strengths and limitations, you can be very successful in the MA.

No offense but style of play comes into play here sir.  Furballing in the MA is not a choice a lot of folks make.  I've watched and seen a lot of styles lately.  Hovermonkeys, Altfairies, Fringepickers, 12 Clearers, Scoretards.  Even if you choose to fight 50-50 one half being furball, you won't have scores that look like this.  Dodger is as good as I've seen in the F6F and his scores are not close to this because he is about 90-10 furball. 

Scoring vs fighting...any solid a/c can come up with those numbers or similar numbers depending on the pilot.
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2013, 12:27:59 PM »

I wonder if that's because f6 is more likely coming from cv's heavy


It is.
The F6F is mostly used for bomb hauling in AH, some notable exceptions doesn't change this in general. The 47-D11 however is almost always used as a pure fighter.
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2013, 01:19:27 PM »
I'll just say neither are exactly what you'd call menacing  :noid.
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Re: F6f vs. P-47d11
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2013, 04:04:29 PM »
No offense but style of play comes into play here sir.  Furballing in the MA is not a choice a lot of folks make.  I've watched and seen a lot of styles lately.  Hovermonkeys, Altfairies, Fringepickers, 12 Clearers, Scoretards.  Even if you choose to fight 50-50 one half being furball, you won't have scores that look like this.  Dodger is as good as I've seen in the F6F and his scores are not close to this because he is about 90-10 furball. 

Scoring vs fighting...any solid a/c can come up with those numbers or similar numbers depending on the pilot.

It isn't just style....

90% of MA pilots I encounter are not very skilled. Pretty easy to kill, assuming they stick around to fight. Among the other 10% are the skilled and a few genuinely talented. Furballing virtually guaranties you a poor result. That's fun if you don't mind unrealistic combat and simply enjoy the scrum. Sometimes I'll join the furball, but not commonly. I usually fight on defense, often against the mob.

To run up a great K/D, you usually need a very good fighter. Over tours 164 and 165, I managed 95 kills to 3 deaths flying the N1K2-J. Please understand that I do not fly any one type consistently. I have no favorites, but choose based upon the need and my mood at the time.

Dodger is a very good stick, and I've had fun fights with him many times. Unfortunately, I've caught him low and slow often. Redd is very good in the F6F, as is Greebo.

The P-47D-11 is a high altitude fighter. You seldom see one on the deck (unless he just dived from altitude). I would expect that the Jug would have more kills of the Hellcat than vice versa. The fact remains that if a P-47D-11 encounters a Co-E, Co-alt F6F-5 below 15k, the P-47 is at a clear disadvantage. At 20k or above, the Jug has the clear advantage. In between is largely a toss-up. The fact that the F6F-5 is modeled 20 mph slower at critical altitude than it should be, doesn't help.

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