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Offline Scherf

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Dallas, 1 p.m.
« on: November 11, 2013, 06:03:45 PM »
It being 50 years hence, what's your currently-favoured theory?

Have had a couple of good doccos on down here recently, "Mortal Error" has taken the lead for me over "Traficante and his Corsican pals."
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2013, 06:09:34 PM »
The most recent book points the finger at a Corsican shooter. I haven't read it, just the reviews. One thing I am 100% confident of, the angle from the book depository does not allow for the impact. Wrong angle and direction. That is about the only thing I am confident of.

One note, a Dr Kermit Hall lead a review of the Warren Report. I personally spoke with him about this and the Oliver Stone movie. He chuckled and said both were great fictions. Here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_L._Hall

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2013, 06:14:56 PM »
unfortunately...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwjHhJdhY0I


there have been many studies conducted...the most convincing was the study of the bullet trajectories including tests of where the bullet casings were found. pretty strong evidence showing the 6th floor location was correct.
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2013, 06:17:14 PM »
 Look into the French Canadian connection!


  The ties with certain groups were close.


    :noid


  Corsican indeed..... :rolleyes:



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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2013, 06:24:36 PM »
Hey man, Corsica via Marseilles.

Anything is possible in either of those places. Anarchy, anarchy...
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2013, 06:42:01 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on November 11, 2013, 06:24:36 PM
Hey man, Corsica via Marseilles.

Anything is possible in either of those places. Anarchy, anarchy...



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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2013, 06:48:10 PM »
Heheheh, IIRC the guy who described Corsicans also said they hunkered down in Montreal for a time after the event.

East Montreal, not quite so bad as Corsica.
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2013, 06:53:53 PM »
I love that show.

Problems with headshot. kennedy was clearly hit from a frontal, quartering shot. Enters his forehead, exists the back of his head. His head is move violently back and to the Left.

Oswald was located to Kennedy's rear, right. A headshot from Oswald would have thrown Kennedy forward and to the left. The kill shot was not from the book repository.

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 07:33:28 PM »
Quote from: Scherf on November 11, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
Heheheh, IIRC the guy who described Corsicans also said they hunkered down in Montreal for a time after the event.

East Montreal, not quite so bad as Corsica.


  Now that's something I could beleive!   Montreal,Hamilton and the Falls all had close ties with certain groups.



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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2013, 08:34:39 PM »
Quote from: mthrockmor on November 11, 2013, 06:53:53 PM
I love that show.

Problems with headshot. kennedy was clearly hit from a frontal, quartering shot. Enters his forehead, exists the back of his head. His head is move violently back and to the Left.

Oswald was located to Kennedy's rear, right. A headshot from Oswald would have thrown Kennedy forward and to the left. The kill shot was not from the book repository.

boo


Agreed.

How do his brains end up on the trunk? By someone other than Oswald is how...
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2013, 08:35:34 PM »
Rot summarizes my post in half an excellent sentence.

Bam!!

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2013, 08:39:24 AM »
La Cosa Nostra, Castro & maybe even FBI.
Possibly one or more together. (Especially Mob & Castro).
All had more than 1 motive.
I've believed all along that the FBI killed Marilyn Monroe.
(Who was banging JFK, and knew too much. Their adultery brought
shame into the "Royal Family" of the US).
It was well known that J. Edgar Hoover and the Kennedy's hated each other.
I wouldn't be shocked if they were proven to be involved.
Mob wanted JFK and (eventually) RFK taken out (after RFK became Attorney General,
and started going after the mob).

And what was Oswald's motive again?

Ruby was a small time hood, with ties to the mob.
Had access to (in a Police Station) and killed Oswald to shut him up.
Oswald was a sucker. Used; a patsy, a scapegoat, a nobody.

Always intrigued by the many different theories.
Hope someday we'll know what really happened.

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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 08:48:15 AM »
The mob is the only organization with a motive that makes sense that could have conspired to kill Kennedy and succeeded with nobody opening their mouth.  It's in their DNA to stfu.   

 
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 09:49:25 AM »
Quote from: mthrockmor on November 11, 2013, 06:53:53 PM
I love that show.

Problems with headshot. kennedy was clearly hit from a frontal, quartering shot. Enters his forehead, exists the back of his head. His head is move violently back and to the Left.

Oswald was located to Kennedy's rear, right. A headshot from Oswald would have thrown Kennedy forward and to the left. The kill shot was not from the book repository.

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Just a stupid question;

But wouldn't the body be sucked around the bullet.   In other words if head jerked back wouldnt been because bullet entered from behind....           Seems like I read somewhere when the bullet eneters the body it will sucked into the bullet.   All except for some high powered rifles such as the La. 338 mag  and .50 BMG  Cant remember were I read that...


But I believe that there were more than one shooter...    Wasnt the round that were fired never found do to the fact that it was HV round with tons of penetrating power :salute
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Re: Dallas, 1 p.m.
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2013, 11:20:25 AM »
Peters, as a rule of thumb no. Physics says there is absolutely no chance of it though strange things happen with objects moving at high speeds.

Having been around a number of kill shots etc etc etc I have never, ever seen a body move the opposite direction of the bullet upon impact. Ever! The simple transference of energy means the energy goes the same direction. I remember watching a documentary on Kennedy and I think it was a young Dan Rather who made the same spurious claim. They had to make this claim in order for Oswald to be even remotely involved.

Simple physics. In order for energy to move 180 degrees it would require a greater amount of energy pushing back. Many long held laws of physics kicks in.

Looking at Kennedy from directly above and his nose was pointing 12 o'clock, he was hit at roughly the 1 O'clock with his head moving violently backwards to a 7 O'clock position. Oswald and the book repository were roughly 5 O'clock. Had Oswald hit him his head would have moved violently to roughly an 11 O'clock position.

Anyone else seen a target moved 180 degrees opposite the direction of the round?

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