Dallas, 1 p.m.

[Rich46yo]

     If this was a conspiracy, it is the greatest one ever.  All this time and NO one can prove it, no one
talked..stretches the bounds of credulity a tad, huh?

It does in the reality of 2013 but not so much that of 1963. People were far more trusting of the authorities and Govt. at the time and the only social media was yelling out the window at your neighbor. You only learned about stuff by reading a paper of watching Cronkite. Plus I believe nobody wanted to believe a US President could get whacked out by a conspiracy in broad daylight in the middle of Dallas TX.

LBJs crew wanted the entire thing squashed and made yesterdays news as quickly as possible. The early '60s were a far different time.

[VonMessa]

If you watch the digitally enhanced version which is slow motion and enlarged you'll see that the actual bullet impact jolts the head forward, then his whole body twitches backwards. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q91RZko5Gw 4:34 mark.

A high velocity bullet to the head does not have enough kinetic force to push the whole body around unlike what's seen in movies.

I tend to agree with this.

As for the direction of the twitching after to impact?  Bodies have a tendency to do strange things when a foreign object enters the brain pan and randomly strike different nerves that control motor functions.  Anyone that has used a needle to pith a frog for live dissection has seen this.  When you scramble something's brain, strange and random motor functions are observed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d92x1-d-1e0

[sunfan1121]

How easy is it for a FMJ to disentegrate? If the headshot was from a frangible bullet, it tells all I need to know.

[gyrene81]

How easy is it for a FMJ to disentegrate? If the headshot was from a frangible bullet, it tells all I need to know.

6.5mm carcano...fmj will disintegrate when it hits skull. there is a lot of if this and if that to it though...just watched a 1 hour forensic study on pbs that showed plausibility based on testing, video and autopsy information.

the grassy knoll was ruled out...

[Shifty]

Santa Claus was your parents

Roswell was a balloon

Islamic Terrorist are responsible for 911

Oswald killed Kennedy

The truth is rarely as interesting as fantasy and conspiracy.

[jimson]

Santa Claus was your parents

Roswell was a balloon

Islamic Terrorist are responsible for 911

Oswald killed Kennedy

The truth is rarely as interesting as fantasy and conspiracy.

LOL +1

Although, I do wonder about the Roswell thing

[RotBaron]

Santa Claus was your parents

Roswell was a balloon

Islamic Terrorist are responsible for 911

Oswald killed Kennedy

The truth is rarely as interesting as fantasy and conspiracy.

Santa is a conspiracy? I suppose to those younger than 2nd grade when they find out.

With you up until Oswald. On that note, you missed one; Surfinn's long lost uncle is Sasquatch.

[MiloMorai]

6.5mm carcano...fmj will disintegrate when it hits skull. there is a lot of if this and if that to it though...just watched a 1 hour forensic study on pbs that showed plausibility based on testing, video and autopsy information.

the grassy knoll was ruled out...

I watched it also but I was confused at the end where it was concluded there was only one shooter. Yet at the beginning the gun experts said it was impossible to get the number of shots off in the time frame of the shooting.

The head snapping back was explained by the brain contracting the stronger back muscles.

[RotBaron]

I watched it also but I was confused at the end where it was concluded there was only one shooter. Yet at the beginning the gun experts said it was impossible to get the number of shots off in the time frame of the shooting.

The head snapping back was explained by the brain contracting the stronger back muscles.

And brain matter and skull fragment on the trunk? How did they explain that?

[Shifty]

And brain matter and skull fragment on the trunk? How did they explain that?

The car is moving forward. The vehicle will continue to move forward no matter what happens to the human target. Fragments that fly up into the air or slipstream after impact of the bullet are going to be affected by wind blast and vehicle movement and land back in and on the vehicle. Which way does your hair blow when you're riding in a convertable?  Also Governor and Mrs Connolly were both covered in tissue from the presidents fatal shot as well and they were sitting in front of him out of the slipstream effect. This would point to the bullet impacting from behind the president. Also people that say in 1963 and a conspiracy would have been easier to hide than today should remember that in 1865 all of the Lincoln conspirators were found and punished..  Like I said the truth is boring.


I'm not an expert on ballistics or the investigation of the Kennedy assasination by any means. This is just my opinion looking at the available information.

Santa is fantasy not conspiracy.

[Rich46yo]

Like i said, murder investigations, successful ones, tend not to have a whole lot of loose ends.

Whether or not those shots were fired by a gun man on that floor of that building is one thing. But are we truly to believe it just happens that  a guy working as a radar technician on the U2 spy plane project - the most secret thing on the planet in the late 50s - was studying Russian and Marxism whilst he was in the Marine Corps? He then gives up on the American way and heads off to Moscow via London and Helsinki. He spends time in a Soviet mental institution, gets job in a sheet metal factory in Minsk and marries a KGB colonel’s daughter and is given a Soviet hunting license. He then becomes disenchanted with Marxist Leninist life, packs his bags and returns to Texas. Three weeks before the assassination he goes to Mexico City visits Russian and Cuban legations and shortly after gets the job in the Texas Book Depository, goes out ON HIS OWN and kills the most powerful guy in the world?

And then frame 313, pretty graphic, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU83R7rpXQY . The Carcano round with a RNFMJ bullet really doesnt produce such injuries. Thats a 162 grn RNFMJ at about 2200 fps. And boy it sure looks like an extremely high vel rifle made that shot, and with a rapidly expanding bullet coming out of it.

One or two loose corners is one thing. "Dozens" are another. Most of all in a high profile incident done out in the open.

And then we had a Warren Commission all to willing to put this incident to bed ASAP.

[MiloMorai]

10.5 g (162 gr) RN    700 m/s (2,300 ft/s)    2,572 J (1,897 ft·lbf)

[mthrockmor]

There seems to be two compelling bits of visual information.

The first is the nature of head movement on impact, with several explanations as to why his head jerked to the rear and left. The second is the head would itself.

The head wound is over the right side, from his right ear backwards, with a smaller head would over the right forehead area. Would that mean a glancing shot that entered the front and exploded out the same side on the rear?

Over the weekend I will find a couple diagrams that show the most simple of trajectories from the book depository that make that a very unlikely location for any of the shots.

boo

[Shifty]

I love that show.

Problems with headshot. kennedy was clearly hit from a frontal, quartering shot. Enters his forehead, exists the back of his head. His head is move violently back and to the Left.

Where do you get this? Look at a still frame of Kennedy at the moment of impact. Then say it exits the back of his head.

Google Zapruder frame 313 and 314. Also take a look at 335 which vividly shows the trauma to President Kennedy's head.

[gyrene81]

The Carcano round with a RNFMJ bullet really doesnt produce such injuries. Thats a 162 grn RNFMJ at about 2200 fps. And boy it sure looks like an extremely high vel rifle made that shot, and with a rapidly expanding bullet coming out of it.

you're mistaken.

The head wound is over the right side, from his right ear backwards, with a smaller head would over the right forehead area. Would that mean a glancing shot that entered the front and exploded out the same side on the rear?

the bullet clearly entered the back of the skull and exited the front. even the examination of the brain showed that...