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Re: Early Man
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2013, 07:21:28 PM »

Manpower.

Lots of it.  :old:
About 10,000 workers working the flood season for about 20 years with a well planned and executed construction plan.  We have very good archeological data on the pyramids now.

Keep in mind, the ancients were not stupid.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2013, 08:05:02 PM »
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #122 on: November 17, 2013, 04:34:13 AM »
Satan put the dinosaur bones in the ground to deceive us......... :noid
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #123 on: November 17, 2013, 11:15:28 AM »
Satan put the dinosaur bones in the ground to deceive us......... :noid
Now that's a dangerous thought! But not in a way you might first think about...

Let's think hypothetically to avoid any conflicts: If we believe that Satan exists as the counterpart of God, then wouldn't spreading information like that work for Satan? I mean, getting some people to believe things like that would make them the laugh of the town. Then anyone who'd want himself to be taken seriously would rather not admit to belong into said group. Thus a small group of innocent but mislead believers could drive a vast amount of "clever" people away from the church. Bet Satan would be happy about that...

There's great hidden wisdom in the MIB movies: People won't believe the obvious if it's published in the "wrong" paper...
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #124 on: November 17, 2013, 06:11:41 PM »
  I'm a Diest and believe the Angels/UFO's at the behest of God seeded this miracle planet with Human Hosts capable of supporting a soul that needs to grow to achieve a higher plane of existence. You have several lives to work on your soul and temptation is a test to see if you are evolved enough to move on. Many fail and repeat the trials of life many times self destructing never reaching the level they should. Many let evil and hate shroud what is truly important.

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #125 on: November 17, 2013, 06:54:10 PM »
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #126 on: November 17, 2013, 07:11:27 PM »
Ok to get back on tract.........   Do you believe the Egyptians had some sort of caculator to figure out some of the things they did. Take the Great Pyramid at Giza, Egypt. It is a huge stone monument built over 2,000 years before Christ. It was 481 feet tall, and its base covers about 13 acres. It has more than two million stone blocks in it that weigh 5,000 pounds apiece. These blocks didn’t all come from nearby, either. It is remarkably precise, being in line with the points of the compass and also sitting level. Does this sound primitive?  If you would load a semi with the legal limit of 80,000 pounds you would have a line of semi from St. Louis to San Fansico.   

How do you think they achieved that??  Sorry for my bad spelling

Dood!  Humans been around for a long time.  no, a lot longer than that.

Have you ever looked another animal in the eye?  Freaky shuff man.

Did you know they found bones of mini humans on a island in Indonesia.  Frikn mini humans.  :rofl

This is when being human is really cool.  Because one can see we know knothing.  We were raised on fairy tales and stories that still are the foundation of our belief today.  The implications of which are amazing, the possibilities endless.

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #127 on: November 18, 2013, 12:32:22 AM »
Dood!  Humans been around for a long time.  no, a lot longer than that.

Have you ever looked another animal in the eye?  Freaky shuff man.

Did you know they found bones of mini humans on a island in Indonesia.  Frikn mini humans.  :rofl

This is when being human is really cool.  Because one can see we know knothing.  We were raised on fairy tales and stories that still are the foundation of our belief today.  The implications of which are amazing, the possibilities endless.

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #128 on: November 18, 2013, 12:37:52 AM »
I am a creationist and I believe that the world is about six thousand years old...      

My question is how primitive was early man?


I have some thoughts and Ideas but would like to see a debate on what you think and why...  

So the Banded Ironstone in my garage that has been dated at 4.6 million years is off by that much?    So the same formations from the Appalachian region, found in Scotland, Ireland, England and the Atlas Mountains in Morocco were rafted over in the last 6,000 years?

My question is why you created this topic and what you attempted to prove?   Because you already lost.    Maybe post up a 5th "Buying a New PC thread"?
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #129 on: November 18, 2013, 03:33:51 AM »
One thing that fascinates me is, more then you would think, I run into people who dont know a thing about the science of evolution. I mean not even that it exists. I tell them of the evidence of the evolving human animal and they look at me like Im nuts. Its not that they just believe in Adam, Eve at al ; Its that they never even heard about the scientific theory.

And these arent dumb people. Or completely uneducated. When I tell them we share 97% of the same DNA as chimpanzees they look at me like Im nuts.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #130 on: November 18, 2013, 07:13:09 AM »
Hobbit-Like Human Ancestor Found in Asia


Hillary Mayell
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October 27, 2004

 Scientists have found skeletons of a hobbit-like species of human that grew no larger than a three-year-old modern child (See pictures). The tiny humans, who had skulls about the size of grapefruits, lived with pygmy elephants and Komodo dragons on a remote island in Indonesia 18,000 years ago.
 
Australian and Indonesian researchers discovered bones of the miniature humans in a cave on Flores, an island east of Bali and midway between Asia and Australia.

Scientists have determined that the first skeleton they found belongs to a species of human completely new to science. Named Homo floresiensis, after the island on which it was found, the tiny human has also been dubbed by dig workers as the "hobbit," after the tiny creatures from the Lord of the Rings books.
 
The original skeleton, a female, stood at just 1 meter (3.3 feet) tall, weighed about 25 kilograms (55 pounds), and was around 30 years old at the time of her death 18,000 years ago.
 
The skeleton was found in the same sediment deposits on Flores that have also been found to contain stone tools and the bones of dwarf elephants, giant rodents, and Komodo dragons, lizards that can grow to 10 feet (3 meters) and that still live today.
 
Homo floresienses has been described as one of the most spectacular discoveries in paleoanthropology in half a century—and the most extreme human ever discovered.
 
The species inhabited Flores as recently as 13,000 years ago, which means it would have lived at the same time as modern humans, scientists say.
 
"To find that as recently as perhaps 13,000 years ago, there was another upright, bipedal—although small-brained—creature walking the planet at the same time as modern humans is as exciting as it was unexpected," said Peter Brown, a paleoanthropologist at the University of New England in New South Wales, Australia.
 
Brown is a co-author of the study describing the findings, which appears in the October 28 issue of the science journal Nature. The National Geographic Society's Committee for Research and Exploration has sponsored research related to the discovery. The find will be covered in greater detail in a documentary airing early next year on the National Geographic Channel.
 
"It is totally unexpected," said Chris Stringer, director of the Human Origins program at the Natural History Museum in London. "To have early humans on the remote island of Flores is surprising enough. That some are only about a meter tall with a chimp-size brain is even more remarkable. That they were still there less than 20,000 years ago, and [that] modern humans must have met them, is astonishing."
 
The researchers estimate that the tiny people lived on Flores from about 95,000 years ago until at least 13,000 years ago. The scientists base their theory on charred bones and stone tools found on the island. The blades, perforators, points, and other cutting and chopping utensils were apparently used to hunt big game.
 
In an accompanying Nature commentary, Marta Mirazón Lahr and Robert Foley, both with the Leverhulme Centre for Human Evolutionary Studies at the University of Cambridge, England, describe Homo floresiensis as changing our understanding of late human evolutionary geography, biology, and culture.

The discovery shows that the genus Homo is more varied and more flexible in its ability to adapt than previously thought. (The genus Homo also includes modern humans, Homo erectus, Homo habilis, and Neandertals—all of which are marked by relatively large braincases, erect posture, opposable thumbs, and the ability to make tools.)
 
"Homo floresiensis is an addition to the short list of other human species that lived at the same time as modern humans. I think people will be surprised to learn that not so long ago, we were not alone," said Brown.

Despite its smaller body size, smaller brain, and mixture of primitive and advanced anatomical features, the new species falls firmly within the genus Homo. The researchers speculate that the hobbit and her peers evolved from a normal-size, island-hopping Homo erectus population that reached Flores around 840,000 years ago.
 
"Physically, they were about the size of a three-year old Homo sapiens [modern human] child, but with a braincase only one-third as large," said Richard Roberts, a geochronologist at the University of Wollongong, Australia, and one on the co-authors of the research paper. "They had slightly longer arms than us. More conspicuously, they had hard, thicker eyebrow ridges than us, a sharply sloping forehead, and no chin."
 
"While they don't look like modern humans, some of their behaviors were surprisingly human," said Brown, the study co-author.
 
The Flores people used fire in hearths for cooking and hunted stegodon, a primitive dwarf elephant found on the island. Although small, the stegodon still weighed about 1,000 kilograms (2,200 pounds), and would pose a significant challenge to a hunter the size of a three-year-old modern human child. Hunting must have required joint communication and planning, the researchers say.
 
Almost all of the stegodon bones associated with the human artifacts are of juveniles, suggesting the tiny humans selectively hunted the smallest stegodons. The Flores humans' diets also included fish, frogs, snakes, tortoises, birds, and rodents.
 
"The hobbit was nobody's fool," Roberts said. "They survived alongside us [Homo sapiens] for at least 30,000 years, and we're not known for being very amiable eco-companions. And the hobbits were managing some extraordinary things—manufacturing sophisticated stone tools, hunting pygmy elephants, and crossing at least two water barriers to reach Flores from mainland Asia—with a brain only one-third the size of ours.
 
"Given that Homo floresiensis is the smallest human species ever discovered, they out-punch every known human intellectually, pound for pound."
 
Both the tiny humans and the dwarfed elephants appear to have become extinct at about the same time as the result of a major volcanic eruption.
 
Mingling of the Human Tribes

 There is no evidence of modern humans reaching Flores before 11,000 years ago, so it is unknown whether the hobbit intermingled with modern humans. The researchers found hobbit and pygmy stegodon remains only below a 12,000-year-old volcanic ash layer. Modern human remains were found only above the layer.
 
Still, rumors, myths, and legends of tiny creatures have swirled around the isolated island for centuries. It's certainly possible that they interacted with modern humans, according to the researchers.
 
"Looked at from a regional perspective, we definitely have modern humans in Australia from at least 40,000 years ago, and in Borneo from at least 43,000 years ago," Roberts said. "So there was temporal overlap between the hobbits and ourselves from at least 40,000 years ago until at least 18,000 years ago—more than 20,000 years minimum. What was the nature of their interaction? We have absolutely no idea. We need more sites and more hard evidence, and that's the next phase of our investigation."
 
Island Dwarfing

 Researchers are also anxious to investigate how and why the hobbits came to be so small. When scientists discovered the hobbit remains, they thought it was the skeleton of a child. There was no record of human adults that were that small. Modern pygmies are considerably taller at about 1.4 to 1.5 meters (4.6 to nearly 5 feet) tall.
 
"H. floresiensis presents an intriguing problem in evolutionary biology," Brown said.
 
The most likely explanation is that, over thousands of years, the species became smaller because environmental conditions favored smaller body size. Dwarfing of mammals on islands is a well-known process and seen worldwide. Islands frequently provide a limited food supply, few predators, and few species competing for the same environmental niche. Survival would depend on minimizing daily energy requirements.
 
But there is no absolute proof that this is what in fact happened with this small human.
 
"While there are stone tools dated as far back as 840,000 years ago, no fossils of large-bodied ancestors have ever been found" on Flores, Brown said. "There is some possibility [Homo floresiensis] arrived on the island small-bodied."
 
"I could not have predicted such a discovery in a million years," said Stringer, of London's Natural History Museum. "This find shows us how much we still have to learn about human evolution, particularly in Southeast Asia."
 

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #131 on: November 18, 2013, 07:39:39 AM »
Hobbit-Like Human Ancestor Found in Asia


Blah, blah, blah, Komodo dragons, blah, blah, blah.....
 


Dragons ate the little folk and burned the vale.  Only a ring survived.......



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Re: Early Man
« Reply #132 on: November 18, 2013, 08:02:37 AM »
I always wondered about your gold tooth.
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Re: Early Man
« Reply #133 on: November 18, 2013, 09:24:09 AM »

Dragons ate the little folk and burned the vale.  Only a ring survived.......



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   So you're saying there was Smog back then also.  :noid

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Re: Early Man
« Reply #134 on: November 18, 2013, 10:12:56 AM »
One thing that fascinates me is, more then you would think, I run into people who dont know a thing about the science of evolution. I mean not even that it exists. I tell them of the evidence of the evolving human animal and they look at me like Im nuts. Its not that they just believe in Adam, Eve at al ; Its that they never even heard about the scientific theory.

And these arent dumb people. Or completely uneducated. When I tell them we share 97% of the same DNA as chimpanzees they look at me like Im nuts.
i wouldn't be so quick to swallow the crap the monkey people are tossing any more than i would the holy rollers. it would be very somewhat more believable if all the conjecture was based on some evidence that involved more than a single fossilized tooth or toe bone found by accident. the crap muckers still haven't figured out how small limited bands turned into large populations of more advanced design in less time than it took for the monkeys to stand upright. by now even high school dropouts know human inbreeding does not yield the same results that the monkey theorists are trying to get us to believe.
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