Bomber gun positions

[terrydew]

Is there a file that can be adjusted so that the gun position assignments across all bombers would be the same ie the tail gun for example would always be the 4 key. Do not understand why they are different as it would make a lot more sense to be consistent?

[guncrasher]

Is there a file that can be adjusted so that the gun position assignments across all bombers would be the same ie the tail gun for example would always be the 4 key. Do not understand why they are different as it would make a lot more sense to be consistent?

no, but you can post yet another wish to make all the gunner postions the same in all bombers, just like in gv's.  this has been asked for many times.  someday, we'll ahve it.



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[terrydew]

Skuzzy do you want to move this to wish list or should I repost? Please consider making this change as it is hard to setup hotas systems without it.

[Randy1]

+1

[earl1937]

Is there a file that can be adjusted so that the gun position assignments across all bombers would be the same ie the tail gun for example would always be the 4 key. Do not understand why they are different as it would make a lot more sense to be consistent?

I read somewhere that the different gun positions were numbered by the Air Force during WW2, so that during de-briefing after a mission, it was easier to ident which gun was being discussed. I suspect Aces High just followed the Air Force numbering positions.

[USCH]

+1

[Karnak]

I read somewhere that the different gun positions were numbered by the Air Force during WW2, so that during de-briefing after a mission, it was easier to ident which gun was being discussed. I suspect Aces High just followed the Air Force numbering positions.

Don't think the Air Force had numbers for the G4M, He111, Ju88, Ki-67 or Lancaster....

[earl1937]

Don't think the Air Force had numbers for the G4M, He111, Ju88, Ki-67 or Lancaster....

When a crewman walked into to debriefing, the debriefer didn't ask about the enemy guns, only the ones the crewman was operating, for stat purposes only I would suspect, but I wasn't there, so don't know,, only making a suggestion because I can't remember where I read that or what it was in relation to!

[terrydew]

With two new bombers coming please, please make the gun position numbers the same as the B17 (or which ever bomber has the most gun positions). This is so basic I think it is at the bug level. There is really no reason to not have the positions the same ie tail is always 4 etc

[Karnak]

When a crewman walked into to debriefing, the debriefer didn't ask about the enemy guns, only the ones the crewman was operating, for stat purposes only I would suspect, but I wasn't there, so don't know,, only making a suggestion because I can't remember where I read that or what it was in relation to!

My point is that in AH those aircraft are not enemy aircraft, they are frequently your aircraft.  A consistency system needs to take them into account.

2 should be for the most common extra position, probably the tail gun, though top turret might also be considered if we want to count the gun position on things like the B5N, Bf110 and SBD-5 as a top position.  3 needs to be the next most common position and so on.  The problem children will be things like the Ju88A-4 with its two side by side guns and the Me410 with its three positions for two guns arrangement.  The other question is if we require the positions to be sequential.  In other words does an Me410 have to be 2: Left 3: Center 4: Right or should it match the B-17's 2: Top 5: Left waist 6: Right waist?  Personally I'd like standardized as much as possible, but then intuitive on the oddballs like the Me410.  Having it be 2 3 4 so that I press the 2 key to jump to the position to my left as I am sitting in the gunner's seat, 3 for the center control of both guns and 4 to jump to the position to my right as I am sitting in the gunner's seat would be most intuitive for the Me410.

Gun positions (from memory, so errors may be here, particularly for new planes) that need to be considered at this time:

A-20G: Top/tail (perhaps belly as well when updated)
Ar234B: Tail (hopefully none when updated)
B-17G: Nose, top, belly, right waist, left waist, tail
B-24J: Nose, top, belly, right waist, left waist, tail
B-25C: Nose, top, right waist, left waist
B-25H: Top, right waist, left waist, tail
B-26B: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
B-29: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
B5N2: Top/tail
Bf110C-4b:Top/tail
Bf110G-2:  Top/tail
Boston Mk III: Top/tail
D3A1: Top/tail
G4M1: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
He111H: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, front belly, rear belly (perhaps use belly for front belly and tail for rear belly)
Il-2 3M: Top/tail
Ju87D-5: Top/tail
Ju87G-2: Top/tail
Ju88A-4 : Right top, left top, belly
Ki-67: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
Lancaster Mk III: Nose, top, tail
Me410: Top/tail, right waist, left waist (kinda)
SBD-5: Top/tail
TBM-3: Top/tail, belly
Tu-2S: Top, tail, belly

[Megalodon]

My point is that in AH those aircraft are not enemy aircraft, they are frequently your aircraft.  A consistency system needs to take them into account.

2 should be for the most common extra position, probably the tail gun, though top turret might also be considered if we want to count the gun position on things like the B5N, Bf110 and SBD-5 as a top position.  3 needs to be the next most common position and so on.  The problem children will be things like the Ju88A-4 with its two side by side guns and the Me410 with its three positions for two guns arrangement.  The other question is if we require the positions to be sequential.  In other words does an Me410 have to be 2: Left 3: Center 4: Right or should it match the B-17's 2: Top 5: Left waist 6: Right waist?  Personally I'd like standardized as much as possible, but then intuitive on the oddballs like the Me410.  Having it be 2 3 4 so that I press the 2 key to jump to the position to my left as I am sitting in the gunner's seat, 3 for the center control of both guns and 4 to jump to the position to my right as I am sitting in the gunner's seat would be most intuitive for the Me410.

Gun positions (from memory, so errors may be here, particularly for new planes) that need to be considered at this time:

A-20G: Top/tail (perhaps belly as well when updated)
Ar234B: Tail (hopefully none when updated)
B-17G: Nose, top, belly, right waist, left waist, tail
B-24J: Nose, top, belly, right waist, left waist, tail
B-25C: Nose, top, right waist, left waist
B-25H: Top, right waist, left waist, tail
B-26B: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
B-29: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
B5N2: Top/tail
Bf110C-4b:Top/tail
Bf110G-2:  Top/tail
Boston Mk III: Top/tail
D3A1: Top/tail
G4M1: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
He111H: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, front belly, rear belly (perhaps use belly for front belly and tail for rear belly)
Il-2 3M: Top/tail
Ju87D-5: Top/tail
Ju87G-2: Top/tail
Ju88A-4 : Right top, left top, belly
Ki-67: Nose, top, right waist, left waist, tail
Lancaster Mk III: Nose, top, tail
Me410: Top/tail, right waist, left waist (kinda)
SBD-5: Top/tail
TBM-3: Top/tail, belly
Tu-2S: Top, tail, belly

If your going to up date ad these they will be a piece of cake since the base model all ready exist.

A-20G: Top/tail (perhaps belly as well when updated).........................Add the A-20G1,without turret, with bottom gun

Ju87D-5: Top/tail    ...........................               We have the D-3... Add D-5 w/20mm

 

[Randy1]

+1 on having some standard logic to the numbers assigned to the gunner's positions in all the bombers.