Grumman Rules the Sky

[J.A.W.]

No FAI certified record AFAIK, WW.

But I done heard of an unofficial Navy fly-boy stunt  - abusing Gov't property - that ran mighty close..

A race Merlin in a Spitfire or Buchon/109 ought to be able to take it..

If a `51H can't..

[WWhiskey]

If you need any GV training ,, just let me know!  You do play this game don't you?

[J.A.W.]

I appreciate the kind offer WW,
& while I got tired of the Secret Weapons/Blazing Angels/Il-Stumovik rigmarole,
the A-H's semi-authentic  - yet user friendly,  sim-experience does offer appeal..

I am still operating below the radar currently, 'til I get enough confidence to 'come out' A-H-wise
so to speak.. ..but thanks, & I'll def' let you know..
 

[Karnak]

Are we sure this isn't Gaston?  His response to Brooke is suspiciously like Gaston's insistence that physics is wrong.


J.A.W.,

Just to be clear, despite your repeated insults to me about my claim, this is a very well understood thing.  There is no mystery or unknown to debate.  Headwinds do not affect climb rate.

[Oldman731]

sorry for being late to the party but wouldn't a head wind decrease rate of climb as it would cause turbulence in the airflow over the wing at high angles of attack?  as the head wind hits the leading edge it would  swirl over top wing surface disrupting the airflow  effectively bringing on stall like characteristics? with out a head wind the air would pass over the top surface parallel to the path of the aircraft providing a smoother flow of air that generates the lift?  please kanark correct me if I'm wrong .   

This happens in the rare instance of wind shear, usually associated with thunderstorm activity.  Until the early 1990s no one knew anything about it.

But that's not what's being "discussed" in this thread.  Once a plane's wheels lift off the ground, the plane is flying in the air mass around it.  There's no headwind, there's no tailwind, except as the plane is viewed in relation to the ground.  If the plane's airspeed indicator says it's moving at 130 knots, that will be true whether the air mass is moving towards the airfield or away from the airfield.  The ground speed will be different, but the plane, basically, doesn't care.

- oldman

[J.A.W.]

See Rule #4

[WWhiskey]

It's easy enought to do,,, just go offline, set the wind speed at whatever speed and direction, pick a plane ,up on said runway into the wind full throttle,let auto climb do the rest,,,
Do this once with wind and once without,, the roll out will be the only thing that changes, time the whole thing but also time from automatic "wheels up". The wheels up times to 10k should be exactly the same, the rollout would get shorter with more wind speed ,,,use the same plane every time.

Remember to set you wind from zero to 10k,, I'd try more than one wind speed to see the rollout difference,,, save the films from all runs for scrutiny,

I'd do it myself tomorrow but I'm volunteering at the VA .   

[J.A.W.]

This happens in the rare instance of wind shear, usually associated with thunderstorm activity.  Until the early 1990s no one knew anything about it.

But that's not what's being "discussed" in this thread.  Once a plane's wheels lift off the ground, the plane is flying in the air mass around it.  There's no headwind, there's no tailwind, except as the plane is viewed in relation to the ground.  If the plane's airspeed indicator says it's moving at 130 knots, that will be true whether the air mass is moving towards the airfield or away from the airfield.  The ground speed will be different, but the plane, basically, doesn't care.

- oldman

Ol'man I do get the IAS relativity thing, as shown onboard by ASI/climb-rate read outs..

Still it would be cool to check 'em against GPS readings for potential anomalies..

Anyone recall back when 'everyone knew' that wing lift was due to Bernoulli's Principle?

When all along it was really just the wing's plane surface - squashing down on air, afore it could bleed out from under..

[J.A.W.]

It's easy enought to do,,, just go offline, set the wind speed at whatever speed and direction, pick a plane ,up on said runway into the wind full throttle,let auto climb do the rest,,,
Do this once with wind and once without,, the roll out will be the only thing that changes, time the whole thing but also time from automatic "wheels up". The wheels up times to 10k should be exactly the same, the rollout would get shorter with more wind speed ,,,use the same plane every time.

Remember to set you wind from zero to 10k,, I'd try more than one wind speed to see the rollout difference,,, save the films from all runs for scrutiny,

I'd do it myself tomorrow but I'm volunteering at the VA .   

Ah, yeah, & it has been suggested - see post #77 this thread..

[WWhiskey]

You have the game downloaded I assume ,, so you have that access,, I used to play with the wind speed  all the time in the offline mode,, I'd bet any of the custom arenas could be set up as well with any head wind you like,,,
As I said I'm busy in the morning but I should be back around by 2pm central if you don't get it figured out before then!

[J.A.W.]

You have the game downloaded I assume ,, so you have that access,, I used to play with the wind speed  all the time in the offline mode,, I'd bet any of the custom arenas could be set up as well with any head wind you like,,,
As I said I'm busy in the morning but I should be back around by 2pm central if you don't get it figured out before then!

Not on this machine ( I'm supposed to be working, shhhh.. & please - don't tell on me..)

& I am not confident that anything I did sim test-wise .. would be regarded as kosher.. - here anyhow..

[Widewing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dGpGcvocM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFsBr8DyE5BBMxTgCl3H7ag

Lots of Bearcats....

[J.A.W.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_dGpGcvocM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFsBr8DyE5BBMxTgCl3H7ag

Lots of Bearcats....

Hey that's great Ww,  & so, you aint trawled up any `51H vids yet then, huh?

Maybe find an authentic SAC feature, & post that too?

[Widewing]

This video is about a rebuilt A6M3... Narrated by its pilot. Interesting, especially at the end where he states that the Zero could defeat any fighter of its era in a low speed dogfight. Except, that is.... a Bearcat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUseKNrh6Q

[J.A.W.]

This video is about a rebuilt A6M3... Narrated by its pilot. Interesting, especially at the end where he states that the Zero could defeat any fighter of its era in a low speed dogfight. Except, that is.... a Bearcat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUseKNrh6Q

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Really, Ww, -  'spose that fat ol' barrel-buoy barnacle scraper oughta be good at low & slow..
..since it aint that hot at the high Mach end of the envelope..