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Offline J.A.W.

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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #255 on: January 20, 2014, 04:49:22 PM »
Wrong again m.m., that is "banter, & in direct contextual response"..

Learn the difference..
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #256 on: January 20, 2014, 04:58:46 PM »
I think I should report this to Skuzzy as non-constructive trolling and attempted provocation.



  Funny how I quoted you Milo and he has to go after me,I think because I might have mentioned how the tyffie had a couple of problems that he had to find an outlet.

   Either that or I hit too close to home with my dyslexic read on your post! :devil


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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #257 on: January 20, 2014, 05:02:34 PM »
Apologies then - if I misread your post  Mf.. It was a bit raddled though.
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #258 on: January 20, 2014, 05:07:39 PM »
Wrong again m.m., that is "banter, & in direct contextual response"..

Learn the difference..

Mine also was "banter and direct contextual response" to Drano's post.

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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #259 on: January 20, 2014, 05:09:53 PM »
Yeah right , but anyhow - that's up to Skuzzy to buy, or not - now..
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #260 on: January 20, 2014, 05:25:22 PM »
So, what is your in-game name again JAW?

I was wondering if we have ever enjoyed a fight or two.
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #261 on: January 20, 2014, 05:26:10 PM »
Yeah right , but anyhow - that's up to Skuzzy to buy, or not - now..

 :rofl

JAW hit the report button.

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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #262 on: January 20, 2014, 05:34:59 PM »
But I wasn't the 1st, & I openly admitted it, unlike certain tellers of tales to teacher..
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #263 on: January 20, 2014, 05:39:47 PM »
Apologies then - if I misread your post  Mf.. It was a bit raddled though.


 No need to apologize as there is nothing you could posibly say to me that would rattle or as you put it raddle me!  I simply dont think and internet personality could bother me.


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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #264 on: January 20, 2014, 05:41:49 PM »
But I wasn't the 1st, & I openly admitted it, unlike certain tellers of tales to teacher..


 :rofl

Figures you're one of those types.

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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #265 on: January 20, 2014, 05:46:30 PM »

 No need to apologize as there is nothing you could posibly say to me that would rattle or as you put it raddle me!  I simply dont think and internet personality could bother me.


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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #266 on: January 20, 2014, 05:49:43 PM »

 :rofl

Figures you're one of those types.

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Well, you are wrong again, I 'm more the 'step out-side & lets sort it out here & now' type..
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #267 on: January 20, 2014, 06:59:53 PM »

4, Did flying into a stiff cold headwind improve performance?

Yes, of course it did..


The temperature and air density would make a difference, but I can't believe anyone who knows anything about aerodynamics would be stressed about the whole headwind idea (or even a "stiff" headwind), let alone a group with the knowledge I'd expect from the FAI.

The advantage of the headwind is potentially two-fold though. 

First, since take-off is all about airspeed, the stationary plane "at the word go" is already "moving" at the speed of the wind.  So the time "saved" is roughly equal to the amount of time it would take the plane to achieve that same airspeed without wind (i.e. a stationary plane in a 30 mph headwind has an airspeed of 30mph; how long would it take that plane to reach 30 mph in dead calm air?).

It isn't about accelerating all the way to take-off speed, it's just an advantage until the plane would have reached the relative wind speed...

The advantage would be very slight, of course, but it would also arguably occur at the point of roll where the plane would be at a poor rate of acceleration?

The second advantage would be due to the shorter ground roll.  The wheels rolling along the ground aren't drag-free, so the slightly shorter ground roll would result in slightly less overall drag to overcome.  Again, the advantage would be very slight...

One advantage would be gone in the time it takes the plane to accelerate to wind speed, the other would be gone once the wheels cleared the ground.

Which air mass is likely to be more dynamic / turbulent?  Calm, or windy?  If the wind gives an advantage in take-off, it could also be detrimental if it led to "bumpy" air conditions.
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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #268 on: January 20, 2014, 07:35:38 PM »
but I can't believe anyone who knows anything about aerodynamics would be stressed about the whole headwind idea

The only one concerned about it is JAW, and I didn't see any mention of it anywhere in the description of the test.

Even if there were one, the effect of it is a couple of seconds -- insignificant.  Math explanation is in links I provided above.

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Re: Grumman Rules the Sky
« Reply #269 on: January 20, 2014, 07:43:40 PM »
Well Brooke - if you don't think a ~5% difference is mathematically significant,
you'd  better not tell the IRS that.. L.O.L..
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