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Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« on: December 25, 2013, 06:18:12 PM »
Picking the right joystick for yourself can mean the difference between getting that snapshot on the BnZ attack you just reversed, or not. While some setups range into the thousand dollar range and beyond, others choose to fly with just a mouse. I myself actually had to fly my first tour back with a mouse. My older X-52 (non-pro) did not survive its decommissioning. Prior to that I had flown with the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 Force Feedback (still an extremely popular stick). I loved this stick, compact, accurate (optical x,y axis), and the force feedback gave flight another dimension. The Thrustmaster reminds me of it. I have also tried other sticks, almost every "cheep" twisty stick made by most of the common manufacturers (IMHO not one worthy of mentioning). I was never able to duplicate the Sidewinder's accuracy and lack of dead zone. Then I had an X-52, wonderful setup, with some shortcomings. This gives me experience with both the twisty stick and HOTAS setups.

On to the Thrustmaster T.1600m

I found this stick after doing a little online research, one of the things that attracted me to the stick was the H.E.A.R.T. (HALLEFFECT ACCURATE THECHNOLOGY). The same X-Y axis "guts" as found on the $400-$500 Warthog HOTAS setup. Accuracy seems to be the name of the game, so having used an extremely accurate stick in the past, this seemed like a good shot. Warning: this is the only other Thrustmaster stick with the H.E.A.R.T.

THE GOOD:
 
 The accuracy is amazing, there is little or no bounce coming out of the dead-zone (x,y & z axis),  it basically does not have one. Any decent player using a comparable twisty stick will notice an improvement in their marksmanship. I plugged in this stick mid-November, and have not calibrated it once! It uses one helical spring to center all axis' including rudder. While similar to the Saitek setup, it is upside down, and uses a much larger diameter and gauge spring. This is all protected in the base of the stick, and not exposed to the dangerous elements of my desktop, helping with longevity of the stick. All this adds up to a good linear feel in all axis. My old X-52 had a dead zone that always had a little bounce or pop coming out of center, even after trying all the fixes, and required daily to multiple calibrations per sortie (seems better on the X-52 pro with metal bushing). Travel with the stick is simple, used on three different computers, never have to calibrate or recalibrate. The molding of the plastic is solid and give a good feel for the price. Having an average sized hand reaching all of the buttons on stick is comfortable for me, and the ability to be ambidextrous (with supplied parts) makes this an attractive choice for a lefty, making it a mirror of itself is a snap with a couple of screws. Being an ambi-capable stick also gives you a total of twelve (12) buttons on the base. Six (6) on each side of the stick, with a single stage trigger, three (3) push buttons and a eight (8) way HAT on the stick itself. Plenty of buttons to map what you need to do for anything in the game. However you probably will not have the upmost competitive advantage that a true HOTAS gives you. However, this stick has the potential to be the centerpiece of an epic "one piece at a time" setup. I initially bought thinking if I liked it, I would splurge and upgrade to the Warthog... time will tell. The price point of $39.00-$59.00 is great there is plenty of value for your greenback.

THE BAD:

 Made in China, the build quality suffers, I will cover this with greater detail in later threads. Initially some of the base buttons were not as crisp and accurate as one would like them to be (will cover this fix in detail of later thread). Buttons on top of the stick seem better, this appears to be due to them not nesting against each other. All buttons should last a reasonable amount of stick time. While the HAT switch does have crisp detents, the stops leave something to be desired, they do not feel consistent. Also, the shape and texture of the HAT need to be improved, it seems slick and small, causing accuracy to suffer. Trigger is crisp, after you get past the soft stop. Giving it a dual stage feel without actually having the feature (fix for this in testing). I am being picky here, to give you a reference, the HAT and trigger would rate a solid B. I have used many worse feeling HAT's and triggers over the years, and the T1600m does have solid detents. The throttle is adequate, but just that. One inch of throw on a slider is not for the demanding cartoon pilot. The throttle can be mapped for zoom if you were to add something like a CH throttle down the road. There is a competitive advantage to having the accurate long throw of a separate throttle.

THE UGLY:

 Partially due to my specific geographic location, window-shopping for joysticks is impossible. My first attempt on Amazon failed, however I found another Interwebs store that had some and was shipped one in two days. These sticks appear to be drop shipped from the manufacturer frequently, and supply seems inconsistent. Be patient they are out there. The light up base annoys me, if you move the stick green LED's light up the bottom, this turns off after 3 seconds, but does not seem to be triggered by the H.E.A.R.T. sensor. Sometimes you have to wiggle the stick to turn them off (fix for this issue as well).

BLONDIE YOU SON OF A......

 I have been extremely critical here, do not let that throw you off. This stick is head and shoulders above all others in it's price point. If you have a budget and want to start building a top notch setup that can start as a twisty, this is the stick for you. I put the accuracy beyond that of the CH sticks, which will surprise many and make some angry here. This is the perfect stick to grow with as your skills improve you can add throttle, rudder pedals, and whatever else you desire. Many of the problems I have fixed with tinkering. If you have a moderate mechanical / electrical skill set these issues can be addressed. For most it will be fine out of the box.

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« Last Edit: December 25, 2013, 07:32:12 PM by vHACKv »
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2013, 06:48:14 PM »
Tweak No.1: Base Buttons Stick

Using a PH#1 driver, remove the six screws on the bottom of the base.



My issue was only on one side so I removed these two screws. (both sides are mechanically the same)


(whats wrong in this picture... I see a couple of things, and will be fixing them in future threads)

Sadly I do not have pictures of the next parts, but if you take your time and pay attention to how it came apart, you should be fine.

You should see the bottom of the buttons now. Carefully remove the rubber insulators from the bottom of each button, place these somewhere safe. Then remove each button by pushing in the clip that holds it in. I used a mechanical pencil. You will notice the offending silver buttons have rough edges, I sanded the sides and corners of the buttons with 400 grit sandpaper, careful not to mar the finish on the top, then replaced. Do not worry about taking out multiple buttons, they will only fit back where they came from. Remember where you put those rubber insulator spring things? Replace those carefully, making sure that they are settled correctly. Reassemble and enjoy your new smoother buttons.

Note: I will be adding other tweaks I have done, so be patient and you only have to crack her open once.

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« Last Edit: December 25, 2013, 07:36:44 PM by vHACKv »
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: review and tweeks
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2013, 07:17:24 PM »
Very helpful!  I'm looking to upgrade to a new stick..  Currently using the 20 dollar thrust master..  It has a throttle but no rudder inputs.  Was thinking of doing the x52 again but I don't feel that it suited me that well last time.  I will definitely look at this!

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: review and tweaks
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2013, 07:26:02 PM »
You can still use your throttle, this part I love about the X-52, and just plug in this stick as a supplement

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2013, 09:33:45 PM »
Tweak No. 2: Chinese build issues rectified

Foxconn (the people that build iPhones, iPads, Andriod devices) have a problem with people jumping out of buildings. Is that because they demand QC?

Upon cracking open the case on the 'ole stick, I noticed some issues. I understand that the cord is not load bearing, or at least not designed to be, but there is no detent on it preventing it from getting ripped out of the circuit board. The last boss that it is screwed under does not function as a clamp, and merely running it around two bosses does not seem HACK proof.



So let us make our own to prevent the cord from being ripped from the board. You remember how to tie shoelaces right?

Remove screw


Tie knot


Replace


I have also replaced the paper tape with proper 3m electrical tape. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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« Last Edit: December 25, 2013, 11:09:02 PM by vHACKv »
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2013, 10:16:13 PM »
Tweak No. 3: Those damn disco lights

Nothing I hate more than people coming into my office, and there is a joystick with a big pesky disco light on my desk. It will not always turn off, sometimes comes on all by itself. Playing at night, blinking in my peripheral vision annoying me. Lighting up the room and giving the 'ole ball and chain another reason to complain. I'm just getting started about this terrible feature you cant turn off with the software or a switch.

I do not recommend doing this from the bottom for many reasons. The biggest being that the gimbal for the joystick is under a spring load that is pre-tensioned. Removing these screws wrong could potentially strip out the threads in the bosses, or worse crack them. ABS plastic has its limits, thus basically bricking your stick. So keep it simple stupid and just tape over it, like I did with an older ranch truck that had an ABS light on that would not go off. You don't need that crap anyway.

Remove the hand rest just like in the owners manual, above the throttle slider there is a notch, GENTLY pry under the existing notch to lightly bend the first layer of plastic. I used a thin flat head screwdriver or an FH1 and then stuck my trusty mechanical pencil under the resulting gap. Then there is another plastic layer...why? Finally a thin sheet of reflective Mylar? I think this is to boost the disco effect.

Viva disco!


Now the hard part. I cut some 1/4" wide strips of 3m electrical tape, and then cut the length down to about 2/3rds or the original width of roll. Then using my trusty 0.9 mechanical pencil placed them over the holes.


Now carefully reassemble, here you could also do custom colors by painting with model paint... whatever go crazy with whatever the disco lights inspire you to do. I chose to keep the stock but stealth look.

No more disco!

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« Last Edit: December 25, 2013, 11:08:15 PM by vHACKv »
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 03:02:24 AM »
For your viewing pleasure  :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6thuiB_Kl7E
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2013, 03:48:16 AM »
+1 very help full thanks alot.
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2013, 04:36:05 AM »
For your viewing pleasure  :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6thuiB_Kl7E
Ouch! Starting with the "AAARGGH" which startled my wife in the other room... Truly a classic, but I was rather hoping to see your tweaks filmed to help us who don't know all the finesses of the English language.

I, too, am a happy owner of a T.16000. The disco light is somewhat annoying, although playing in a room with lights on helps a lot. I understand that playing in the dark may help concentrating in what happens on the screen, but that makes my eyes sore.

Thanks for the zoom idea using the throttle slider! Any ideas how to use the twisty, too, for something else than what it's originally intended for? I'm a long time pedal user, so the twisty part has been unused in my sticks. On the other hand, I believe using only the two main axis might elongate the stick's life span.

For those of us who'd like to have a decent Hotas system with less money, I have been quite happy with mine: A T.16000 for stick and the other Thrustmaster gem, the T-Flight Hotas X providing the throttle with some buttons in handy places. The stick part of it is hidden behind my monitor. I've been thinking about to tear the stick apart and reseat its buttons into the throttle base, but having a spare stick also sounds like a good idea. Plus it would serve perfectly for temporary use like while travelling light with a laptop.

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2013, 05:08:43 AM »
HACK on video... sounds dangerous.

I took these pictures a couple of weeks ago. But, next time I take it apart, I will try recording the base button disassembly, and sanding. Let me think about it. I would have thought a Fin would have already catalogued all these parts and labeled them in 3 languages by now :D

Also, I am hopefully doing a mod on making a 2 stage trigger, half pull main guns, full pull main guns + secondary.

I guess I need to make these more like the instructions I get with Scandinavian flat pack furniture, purchased at megastores.  :headscratch:

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2013, 05:20:11 AM »
HACK on video... sounds dangerous.

I took these pictures a couple of weeks ago.
What pictures? In tweak#1 I can see the word "picture", but my screen only shows text. Just checked, I can see pictures on other threads, so it's not in my settings.

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2013, 03:05:10 PM »
The picture hosting seems to have goofed up, I will fix that this afternoon

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2013, 04:04:59 PM »
Will someone tell me why the pictures were taken down?
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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2013, 02:08:02 AM »
Just PM me your email, and I will get you the un-censored version. With picks of stripped joystick.  :O

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Re: Thrustmaster T1600m: Review and Tweaks
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2013, 08:54:53 AM »
We have not taken anything down.  I do not see where there are any links in any of the posts.
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