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Offline Randy1

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Re: ENY
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2014, 01:37:11 PM »
Over bloated offense in real world might mean logistics problems.  Limit fuel to 50% and no 1000# bombs.   No perk planes. Same with tanks say half load-outs or limited to the smaller load-outs.  No perk tanks.

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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2014, 02:22:32 PM »
Seriously though, if someone is unwilling to fly anything but their EZ mode plane or switch sides, do we really want them here? I'd say the average fights would improve with their loss.

It seems to me the EZ mode plane guys, as you put it, are the one's willing to stay and fight.  Have fun with the runners and ack huggers once they're gone.

The real question is do we want you here?  You always talk big; sign up for the dueling bracket.  Put up or shut up.
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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2014, 06:36:40 PM »
I remember ENY working quite well to balance sides, back when there were two LW MAs and one hour side switches many people DID voluntarily balance sides to avoid being hit with ENY, either by moving or switching.

(So what was the problem with one hour switches anyway? Spying? Meh, a moot point. A *properly* driven CV is parked within sight of the enemies base to facilitate furballing, and a *properly* planned mission DOES encounter enemy aircraft, otherwise the whole affair is about as much fun as trimming your toenails.)
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2014, 06:41:08 PM »
I remember ENY working quite well to balance sides, back when there were two LW MAs and one hour side switches many people DID voluntarily balance sides to avoid being hit with ENY, either by moving or switching.


I remember (have partly logged) an entirely different thing: ENY was kicking in far more often and more massive because of the two arenas. One country would dominate LWO, another LWB. When too outnumbered (and thus getting rolled) players at large would try to join the other arena, not switch sides. Back then, just like today, most players were still very much country loyal. Only a minority doesn't care and switch for the fight.
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2014, 06:48:38 PM »
Hmmm...well Snail that bit about the two arenas may be true. But still seems to me that balance for one arena might be better served by giving players the option to avoid eny via allowing the frequent sideswitching of yore. SOME will switch, and it seems more customer-pleasing than someone logging out 'cause they can't get their favorite ride and are stuck on a side.
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« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2014, 12:28:17 AM »
Hmmm...well Snail that bit about the two arenas may be true. But still seems to me that balance for one arena might be better served by giving players the option to avoid eny via allowing the frequent sideswitching of yore. SOME will switch, and it seems more customer-pleasing than someone logging out 'cause they can't get their favorite ride and are stuck on a side.


most players arent airplane loyal but country loyal.  I dont play as much as I did before due to work, but I cant remember the last time eny hit me more than a few minutes to not fly the pony. 




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« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2014, 12:39:57 AM »
most players arent airplane loyal but country loyal.  I dont play as much as I did before due to work, but I cant remember the last time eny hit me more than a few minutes to not fly the pony. 




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Loyal to an arbitrarily assigned "side" instead of certain melange of engine sounds, stick feel, history, performance and sexy lines? This is perverse beyond all comprehension.

Yes, in a few minutes eny may correct itself, but does it correct itself because 12 Pony dweebs like ourselves log in disgust?
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« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2014, 12:42:46 AM »
It seems to me the EZ mode plane guys, as you put it, are the one's willing to stay and fight.  Have fun with the runners and ack huggers once they're gone.

The real question is do we want you here?  You always talk big; sign up for the dueling bracket.  Put up or shut up.

I've noticed quite the opposite. The EZ mode guys cut and run the second they notice they've lost the advantage.

On the other hand, the guys in the 109's, early Spits, and P-47's are much more willing to stick around. Weather because they know they can't use speed to run, feel they can gain an edge as the fight develops, or are just more ballsy than the Spixteen scut I don't know. But the fights are almost invariably better against the higher ENY planes.

Anyway, if someone is unwilling to leave their P-51D, and would rather log than fly something else, their value is limited only to their subscription cost. And that value is mitigated by constraining the tools HTC can use to adjust game play.

The only thing worse than having them as customers is losing them all at once. But I don't think the number that would quit is great enough that we shouldn't add significantly harsher ENY limits.


As to the country thing, I think HTC should rename them country 1, 2, and 3, and randomize the starting country of every player at the beginning of each tour. You can switch to join with your squadies, but since there is no familiar name to switch to by default, and it breaks up the groups of the little tardlets, it might help alleviate the country loyalty.


And if a mega squad is too big to coordinate with the randomization, well it's probably big enough to be detrimental to game play.
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« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2014, 01:04:30 AM »
Loyal to an arbitrarily assigned "side" instead of certain melange of engine sounds, stick feel, history, performance and sexy lines? This is perverse beyond all comprehension.

Yes, in a few minutes eny may correct itself, but does it correct itself because 12 Pony dweebs like ourselves log in disgust?

considering that I played as a rook for years. and i wasnt arbitrarily assigned to rooks either.  I started as a bishop.  switched to rooks to play with an old squad from aw. I have played for all 3 sides, not lately, but enough to say that the pasture isnt "greener" on the other side.

if you are stuck to only flying a pony, dont blame me because I dont switch and "force" you to log in disgust.  the problem isnt the eny or the game or me, but your own attitude.


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Re: ENY
« Reply #54 on: January 05, 2014, 01:27:34 AM »


Anyway, if someone is unwilling to leave their P-51D, and would rather log than fly something else, their value is limited only to their subscription cost. And that value is mitigated by constraining the tools HTC can use to adjust game play.

When country switching was an hour, people bothered by ENY could and often did switch countries. I've seen 'em do it! Thus allowing ENY to act as an incentive, instead of simply annoying people. What does being stuck for up to 12 hours in something like a gaggle of P-40s against a lone red Spixteen give one incentive to do exactly, except log in disgust? Followed by the poor loner who just got hopelessly ganged also logging in disgust?

On the contrary, players willing and able to switch to the low numbers side for any reason whatsoever (ride preference, perk farming, finding the best place to club baby seals) are the best thing for unbalanced sides, since they make the sides less unbalanced Maybe there are never enough of them, but the option should be and easy.

(Oh, and ride-loyal side-switchers are also as valuable to the game as slightly judgmental Luft-enthusiasts  ;) I took a wee peak at what LW Tour 166 looked like for Jager...Kurt, 152, and 262s kills galore! But runstang fetishists are baaaaadddd?????  :devil    Not to ignore your one-to-one K/D in the Emil, braggable, but game balance would have been better served by you being able to switch and fly your Kurt on the low numbers side instead, dontya think?)
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Re: ENY
« Reply #55 on: January 05, 2014, 01:39:41 AM »

if you are stuck to only flying a pony, dont blame me because I dont switch and "force" you to log in disgust.  the problem isnt the eny or the game or me, but your own attitude.

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Actually if you're on the high numbers side you're facing TWO problems: You may or may not be ENYed out of your favorite ride, AND you are likely to be competing with numerous friendlies for a limited food supply. Far better to be in a hot ride with abundant snacks all around you, than one of 5 guys on one con, right? But if you can't switch sides for a few hours, your ability to do anything about it is rather limited, right?

The purpose of ENY is to make things more fair in the face of unbalanced team numbers, correct?

Thus IF ENY motivates someone to switch to the lower side, that is the best possible outcome is it not? The sides are now less unbalanced than they were.

But say an hour later the population has shifted yet again and this player now finds himself on the high number side, but he can't switch for another 11 hours, that is a bit of a problem, no?

It seems to me that having ENY to combat side unbalance and then allowing only infrequent side-switching, these two things are working at cross purposes.
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Re: ENY
« Reply #56 on: January 05, 2014, 03:23:03 AM »
As to the country thing, I think HTC should rename them country 1, 2, and 3, and randomize the starting country of every player at the beginning of each tour. You can switch to join with your squadies, but since there is no familiar name to switch to by default, and it breaks up the groups of the little tardlets, it might help alleviate the country loyalty.


And if a mega squad is too big to coordinate with the randomization, well it's probably big enough to be detrimental to game play.


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« Reply #57 on: January 05, 2014, 06:23:01 AM »
I agree with BnZ. The long side switch timer does not encourage side switching. I also agree that it is far better to fly your favorite ride in a target rich environment than being forced into another plane and compete for food.

ENY is not a real problem for me since I do not remember the last time the mossie VI has been ENY limited. It is annoying though that I cannot roll a 262 to hunt a red 262. It is the lack of targets that makes me what to switch sides, but I do not want to get stuck in the wrong chess piece when my squadies log in.
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Re: ENY
« Reply #58 on: January 05, 2014, 06:54:26 AM »
I agree with BnZ. The long side switch timer does not encourage side switching. I also agree that it is far better to fly your favorite ride in a target rich environment than being forced into another plane and compete for food.

ENY is not a real problem for me since I do not remember the last time the mossie VI has been ENY limited. It is annoying though that I cannot roll a 262 to hunt a red 262. It is the lack of targets that makes me what to switch sides, but I do not want to get stuck in the wrong chess piece when my squadies log in.

That can be interesting. I still remember the private messages after I ran into my ex squadmates 2 vs 6 and after shooting down 3 or 4 of them :)
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Re: ENY
« Reply #59 on: January 05, 2014, 09:10:57 AM »
(So what was the problem with one hour switches anyway? Spying? Meh, a moot point. A *properly* driven CV is parked within sight of the enemies base to facilitate furballing, and a *properly* planned mission DOES encounter enemy aircraft, otherwise the whole affair is about as much fun as trimming your toenails.)

About the only time I ever got really pissed for days  :furious while playing the game was when a player (who, based on rumors, is now involuntary no longer in the game for other reasons), saw a NASCAR mission posted - switched sides after we launched (remember when you would change what base you were going after at the last second to throw off side switchers?) and then low level bombed us on the way to town.  I'm glad there is now a 12 hour wait time.

Sure, the 12 hour wait time may cause other issues, but lets look at ways of addressing them.


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