ENY/OBJ higher than 40

[mensa180]

And perhaps a more stratified ENY/OBJ system in general.  Right now I can't find a reason to roll a B5N2 or D3A1 over a TBM, or any of those over a Boston III.  Likewise a Spit I or C.202 vs a 109F-4 or 109G-2 (or P-38G!).  The 109s and 38G are 10 less ENY, but I think generally more capable fighters. 

perks =  (ENY your plane / ENY enemy plane) * perk point multiplier [ppm]

The best case scenario is to shoot down a plane with 5 ENY.  With one of the earlier 109s or a P-38G you would get (30/5)ppm = 6ppm, versus 8ppm for a 40 ENY, but much less capable, ride.

So as it is you'd get 33% more perks in a Spit I than a 38G, but when the best that amounts to is usually a ~2 perk difference, who cares?  Maybe my real wish is for a more sensitive perk point multiplier, I'm not sure.  That'd seem to encourage more side switching [or logging off, eek], which is dandy, but really my goal is to encourage more flying of 'lesser' planes, not necessarily more even sides.  I'm also trying to stick with just higher rewards for more time spent in lesser planes, than trying to punish people for enjoying late war rides.  I like late war rides also, but would still enjoy greater diversity in the MA.

tl;dr you should be rewarded with unfathomable riches for going balls out in a Val.

[Latrobe]

I remember the ENY used to go up to 60. Don't know why it was changed but I'd like to see it returned that way. A P-40C being only 5 ENY more than a P-38G or P-47D-11 is kind of weird in my opinion. P-40C would definitely be a 60 ENY ride.

[wpeters]

I remember the ENY used to go up to 60. Don't know why it was changed but I'd like to see it returned that way. A P-40C being only 5 ENY more than a P-38G or P-47D-11 is kind of weird in my opinion. P-40C would definitely be a 60 ENY ride.

+1

[JunkyII]

Along with a higher any cap...some planes need to be looked at for where they are in terms of ENY.

TA152 vs K4....prime example. I don't think the 152 should have lower any but the K4 should not be higher then it IMO

Brewster should have same ENY has Hurri 2C.

FW190A8 and A5 shouldn't be the same as F8. I understand the words but with its OBJ damage being the same you really don't score much more in perks with the extra ord right now compared to their abilities to take down other fighters. F8 could go to 30

[caldera]

+1 for a larger ENY scale.

[kvuo75]

+1 all for more excessive eny/obj  perk point scales

[bozon]

If we had some real use to the perks (perked loadouts anyone?) I can see the reason for this - but we don't.

A player flying the P-40C is not the kind that is short on perks. Most player will harvest perks in 30s ENY rides anyway. I am a few perks short of 8000 perks and they just keep piling up useless. So what is the point?

[Lusche]

If we had some real use to the perks (perked loadouts anyone?)

We do. Me 262, 163, F4UC, Tempest are all quite popular planes that are heavily controlled by the perk system and players are trying to get perks to fly them. If perks had no point, we could set them free... 

I am a few perks short of 8000 perks and they just keep piling up useless. So what is the point?

As above it almost seems to me you are transfering your personal point of view on the player base at large. Only a small minority of players have "thousands of perks" on the bank, and the majority isn't able to "pile them up" in any quick way.
Just for the record, I hardly get ever over 500 fighter perks (and I do earn them at a rate the "average" player can only dream about.)


By the way, this statement is not meant as pro or con to the OP wish 

[Debrody]

TA152 vs K4....prime example. I don't think the 152 should have lower any but the K4 should not be higher then it IMO

Yea. The 152 is the most difficult plane to fly well (other than the brainless pick n run), while the K4 is very forgiving, its only downside is the compression at 435. Neither of them are spits though 

[mensa180]

I am using OBJ/ENY because it is an existing system that rewards the player, but wouldn't be opposed to non perk incentives for >30 ENY plane use.  I just have no clue what they'd be, or if HTC would try to implement something new when there's already a balance system in place.

[JunkyII]

Yea. The 152 is the most difficult plane to fly well (other than the brainless pick n run), while the K4 is very forgiving, its only downside is the compression at 435. Neither of them are spits though 

Spit 8 and 9 need to see some work...spit 8 should match the LA7, and the spit 9 should be at least a 15 any.

152 is a great plane...pretty good guns, not terrible platform and it's ability to accelerate in a quick shallow dive is something I don't think any other plane has. It should be a 15 any, it has the high alt performance but it just doesn't perform like other "BnZ" style planes.

At MA alt the Mossie is a better ride then the 152.

[bozon]

We do. Me 262, 163, F4UC, Tempest are all quite popular planes that are heavily controlled by the perk system and players are trying to get perks to fly them. If perks had no point, we could set them free... 

As above it almost seems to me you are transfering your personal point of view on the player base at large. Only a small minority of players have "thousands of perks" on the bank, and the majority isn't able to "pile them up" in any quick way.
Just for the record, I hardly get ever over 500 fighter perks (and I do earn them at a rate the "average" player can only dream about.)

My main comment was more about having more use for perks rather than saying the we earn enough perk points. The second part of what I was claiming is that setting the P-40C ENY to 60 will not help much with perk farming. The level of player required to use the P-40C as a an effective perk farmer will almost guarantee that it is the kind of player that already earns lots of perks. Most players will get more perks by flying MUCH more capable ENY 30 planes.

The main reason I swim in perks is that my regular rides are Mosquitos, P47D11/25 or F6Fs and I target mostly fighters, so ENY<10 are a large fraction of my kills. This nets somewhere between 2 and 3 perks per kill on average, before any multipliers.

[alpini13]

maybe they should link the new achievment system to the current perk system...as a player gets more achievments,he gets a discount of cost of a perk ride. alot of achievements are for early or midwar planes.

[Zoney]

maybe they should link the new achievment system to the current perk system...as a player gets more achievments,he gets a discount of cost of a perk ride. alot of achievements are for early or midwar planes.

I respectfully, completely disagree.

[Lusche]

The level of player required to use the P-40C as a an effective perk farmer will almost guarantee that it is the kind of player that already earns lots of perks. Most players will get more perks by flying MUCH more capable ENY 30 planes.

Now with that I can fully agree. I'd say the current ENY 20-30 range is the most 'effective' perk farmers available. And indeed you are spot on when saying that someone being able to score in a ENY 40 ride on a regular base will not be 'desperate for perks' in the first place

The main reason I swim in perks is that my regular rides are Mosquitos, P47D11/25 or F6Fs and I target mostly fighters, so ENY<10 are a large fraction of my kills. This nets somewhere between 2 and 3 perks per kill on average, before any multipliers.

And you are far above 'average' level (which is constantly overestimated)


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I have analysed that with different methods before, and given the average ENY of killers and victims in the arena and the average k/h of the ordinary AH player, the net perk earn for him is in the range of like 2-5 fighter perks per hour of flight time. New players even less.
The new achievements gave me also an opportunity to take a peek at the peak amount fighter perks for random players. And as expected, few were "swimming in perks" at all. (Taking up the occasional Me 262 is a very expensive undertaking for most, considering the jet's average K/D of 5-7...)


With a more extreme ENY scaling, we would probably end up with more perks for the 'better' pilots, which would benefit most from it. The question would be if the anticipated increase in usage of 'lesser' rides would offset that change in overall perk balance.
And that's not entirely hypothetical - We had been there before, until autumn 2006 we had exactly this bigger ENY range, with for example the C.205 being at 40 and Hurri I at 60(?). (I made my top record perk farming sorties back at that time  )
But even back then, the usual supects (like P-51D, Spit 16, La-7, N1k) were making up most of the arena.