190As

[BnZs]

Is there any 190A version that saw service in decent numbers that might add a notch or two of performance for radial-engine Butcher-birds in the LW arena?

[bozon]

Some people were arguing in favor of the A7. I do not know the fine details of every 190 version though.

The 190 line can use a fighter to cover the large gap between the 190A5 and the 190D9. Our 190A8 is terrible as a fighter and from what I understand it is a heavy armored buff killer version.

I'd say it is a low priority, but also relatively small effort on HTC side. Good option to keep on the wish list in case HTC have a little time after they are finished with the Beaufighter. So is a 109G6/AS.

[mthrockmor]

I don't have time to get into research but the A7 is it, if I remember correctly. The A5 is the most nimble of the 190s in question. The A8 had a number of improvements that increased the weight into a new class of 190s, per se. The A7 retained the same basic weight and design characteristics though had a more powerful engine and added the 13mms in place of the little .303 poppers in the nose. So basically an A5 in turning, very little weight gain, firepower of the D9 with a couple hundred extra horsepower.

Basically, a souped up A5. That extra horsepower for no weight gain would make the A5 even more deadly in the vertical game and would likely lead to it being one of the premiere fighters in-game. Again, from memory.

boo

[Denniss]

No extra horsepower in the A-7, basically an A-6 adapted for the 13mm cowling guns.
Several/many A-8 had more power via the additional fuel injection system available for both supercharger speeds, the A-9 was a true increase in both power and critical engine altitude although numbers were low in 44 with some hundred produced.

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 930 fw190a9's where built.
190A9 using 1.78ata @ 2700U/min in the first gear supercharger is the most common variant

[mthrockmor]

What is the weight of the A9 compared to the A5?

And was the power increased from the A1 to the A3, with the A5 being an A3 with minimal changes? I remember there was a sportscar in the mix, with a power increase without a weight increase. Likely I'm confused on this as well. It could be the other way around, as in the A3 has the power of the A5 without a weight increase of the A5.

In any case, I want the lighter, more powerful A(?) version sportscar.

boo

[Denniss]

A-1 to A-3 had the 801C engine with 1560PS, A-4 to A-8 the 801 D-2 engine with 1700PS, A-9 the 801S engine with 1930 PS
The A-9 should have a weight similar to the later A-8 (which had a larger engine oil reservoir with thicker armor, 30kg more weight from armor alone)
Weight of the later A-8 is supposed to be 3490kg empty and 4391 kg loaded.

EDIT: just 660 A-9 are known to be produced/accepted by the Luftwaffe up to and inclusing March 45.

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When I read  pilots reports about the A8, I can just not believe we have the same plane, specially its total inability to pull angle without trim.

[Denniss]

From older discussions I remember someone stating they used the heavily armored Sturmbock variant to model the A-8. This is ~150kg heavier than the A-8 and most likely has a forward CoG shift due to the armor added to the cockpit area.

[save]

A8 is faster on the deck than any other A-series in AH due to its higher wep (2000hp)

[Denniss]

It's actually 1900 PS (+/- 25 PS, can't remember exactly)

[save]

"never trust wiki", but is say 1980 hp for the A8.

[BnZs]

Well, I've seen sources listing 348-352 as top speed at sea level for the A-5. Ours does 339. The more generous figure would be a significant improvement, but not so much that it would be any kind of widely-used super plane.

[Tank-Ace]

IIRC, our 190A-5 represents an earlier time-frame for the A-5 production run. Later units were cleared for use of higher ata (3.1 vs 2.6, as I recall, but I could have that wrong.)

[Denniss]

Close to 2000 PS may have been pure engine power but not the power arriving at the prop, you always have to deduct the power to drive the fan which is ~70 PS at sea level. For the same reason the 801 D-2 is stated to be 1700 PS at sea level and not close to 1800.