190As

[Karnak]

I'd say the Ar234 counts as a late bomber, wouldn't you?  In fact I believe it is the latest bomber in the game.

What the Germans are missing is a mid war bomber to fit between their early He111 and Ju88A-4 and late war Ar234B.

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About 1/3 of my kills a normal month in the A8 are bombers, the rest are fighters, I know through muscle memory when I can shoot or not. Hardest for me to bring down by far of the  single engine fighters, is the Yak3.

I normally get my kills when someone make a mistake or don't look his high/low 5-7.
When someone reverse 1k out I can normally get them if they do a horizontal turn, typically a spit16 or p51 at 800 out, you just have to shoot about 2 airframes in front of them.

The nemisis planes for the A8 is the LA-7, 47M and, the 51D.

2 months ago was about average month in terms of K/D for me, flying almost every day.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/killsin.php?playername=Save&kcnt=187&selectTour=LWTour166&pindex=9

[Shifty]

the FW 190 A-9......not D-9.....A-9.   best performance. about 900 made, used in in combat, in squad strength, meets all criteria to be added to aces high....except one.....not allied late war. f

We have the TA-152 ME-162 ME-262 and AR-234 so it is not like a late war aircraft has to be Allied to be included.
It would be nice to have an aircraft discussion without lunatic fringe conspiracy theories. I'd love to see the FW-190A9
as well as an earlier A3 or A4.  

[LCADolby]

We have the TA-152 ME-162 ME-262 and AR-234 so it is not like a late war aircraft has to be Allied to be included.
It would be nice to have an aircraft discussion without lunatic fringe conspiracy theories. I'd love to see the FW-190A9
as well as an earlier A3 or A4.  

No we don't

[Karnak]

No we don't

And we can't because there is no such aircraft.  He obviously meant the Me163 and I am sure you knew that he was talking about the Me163 and not the He162.

[LCADolby]

And we can't because there is no such aircraft.  He obviously meant the Me163 and I am sure you knew that he was talking about the Me163 and not the He162.

I was being as pedantic as you 

[RotBaron]

Loon:

You mentioned that the A-5 is not to far off the Dora. A quick check from Gonzoville would dispute that considerably. Unless your definition of a speed difference of ~20-40mph is not significant. At 10k almost everything about the A-5 seems to fall off, some of which is regained at higher alts. The biggest differentiation however, is that at the range of 250-300mph (and higher I imagine) where 190's excel, the A-5 is 8seconds slower to accelerate than the Dora. Sometimes that's eternity. I'm not intending to badger you, and this is just my interpretation.

I am not as well read or studied as many of you about 190s, but I have felt in AH that either the dynamic of how we fight in the game is so drastically different than the actual way they were used, German 190 pilots possessed much more skill than their adversaries, or the 190 pilots embellished their stories compared to the results I see in game from me and others too.

 

[Karnak]

I was being as pedantic as you 

Not so sure.  I saw it earlier and declined to comment on it because it was an obvious typo.  I may not have resisted if he had said He162 though.

[SmokinLoon]

Loon:

You mentioned that the A-5 is not to far off the Dora. A quick check from Gonzoville would dispute that considerably. Unless your definition of a speed difference of ~20-40mph is not significant. At 10k almost everything about the A-5 seems to fall off, some of which is regained at higher alts. The biggest differentiation however, is that at the range of 250-300mph (and higher I imagine) where 190's excel, the A-5 is 8seconds slower to accelerate than the Dora. Sometimes that's eternity. I'm not intending to badger you, and this is just my interpretation.

I am not as well read or studied as many of you about 190s, but I have felt in AH that either the dynamic of how we fight in the game is so drastically different than the actual way they were used, German 190 pilots possessed much more skill than their adversaries, or the 190 pilots embellished their stories compared to the results I see in game from me and others too.

 

I wont argue the speed differences at 20mph at certain altitudes.  The Dora shines in terms of WEP, no doubt.  Perhaps I should have stated that the A5 is faster than A8 and left it at that.  Oh, and may I suggest using AH's own website to compare aircraft.  Gonzo's is a few years old and many of the planes are not current, the 190's are one of the few that have not changed in all the years since Gonzo's site went up.  You can find the comparison charts under the "Game Info" drop down box.

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if Gonzo's chart is correct, A8 is faster than the A5 (Wep) from 0-5k, 10-20k, acceleration of the A8 is faster from 150-300mph  at the deck.

[SmokinLoon]

if Gonzo's chart is correct, A8 is faster than the A5 (Wep) from 0-5k, 10-20k, acceleration of the A8 is faster from 150-300mph  at the deck.

I've read the charts and checked the charts with my own testing.  Mind you, what the charts say and the actual performance is can be two different things.  Double check the weights of the plane as registered on the charts, then hop in to the MA and test it for yourself.  Speeds especially are not exact.

Without testing it outright, I'd put the A5 ahead of the A8 at all altitudes in terms of non WEP speed and acceleration.  With WEP, they are close enough that a while engaged the differences are not going to matter, ultimately.  The A5's ability to turn tighter, climb better, and otherwise provide a much smoother platform with carry it further than losing/gaining 5mph of speed or a split second or two of acceleration (on WEP).   

Trust me, I take nothing away from the A8. It is a monster and isn't left in the dust but the A5 is more of a decathlon athlete while the A8 is more of a strait up shot putter.  I'd leave it at that.     

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I have a much higher survivability in the A8 due to its capability to run away from spit16 , whereas the A5 just won't.

[BnZs]

EB's account pretty much matches the A5 we have in game.

However, he is talking about an A4, not an A5. Our A5 would seem to be 10-12 mph too slow at sea level, which thing can make a large difference.
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190a5.html

[BnZs]

I have a much higher survivability in the A8 due to its capability to run away from spit16 , whereas the A5 just won't.

Yep. An A5 that could make 352 mph on the deck would stand a chance though, especially considering longer WEP. More importantly AFAIK is an A5 that could *catch* more things, like Ponys not at max speed.

[ReVo]

I have a much higher survivability in the A8 due to its capability to run away from spit16 , whereas the A5 just won't.

You run away from everything.