FW-190 A5 Speed@sea level.

[Ack-Ack]

And the P-38 has what to do with the Typhoon's failure to replace the Spitfire or the Spitfire's superior wing as compared to the Typhoon's wing?

Just another straw man he threw out because he has no real argument to back up his claims.  Just like he dismissed your fact that Spitfires were in service with the RAF longer than the Typhoon or Tempest.  Makes me wonder if he's related to Schlowy.

ack-ack

[J.A.W.]

Again m.m. so what? The RAF chose the duties for its aircraft as best suited their needs, obviously..

& m.m., you were wrong about Tempest service - period.

Just admit it..

Knak, the P-38 & Typhoon were both examples of ist gen 400mph fighters, 'going where no man " etc..
& longest service periods Spit vs Tempest were never in dispute, so what's your point there?
Just an excuse to go ad-hominem again?

Both Typhoon & P-38 had high-speed aero-issues but only the Typhoon's were properly addressed, when it morphed into
the Tempest..

A-A, the P-38 needed something, but never really got it, -  'cept the  boot, from the 8thAF..

Poor P-38 critical Mach performance was one fundamental reason for being dumped..

Got that, finally?

[morfiend]

Just another straw man he threw out because he has no real argument to back up his claims.  Just like he dismissed your fact that Spitfires were in service with the RAF longer than the Typhoon or Tempest.  Makes me wonder if he's related to Schlowy.

ack-ack

   Which is exactly why I find it all so funny as this thread was about the FW 190A5 SL speed......



     

[J.A.W.]

& why is/was FW 190 speed important?

So it could use it in combat, & having more to use is an advantage, possibly?

[Ack-Ack]

Again m.m. so what? The RAF chose the duties for its aircraft as best suited their needs, obviously..

& m.m., you were wrong about Tempest service - period.

Just admit it..

Knak, the P-38 & Typhoon were both examples of ist gen 400mph fighters, 'going where no man " etc..
& longest service periods Spit vs Tempest were never in dispute, so what's your point there?
Just an excuse to go ad-hominem again?

Both Typhoon & P-38 had high-speed aero-issues but only the Typhoon's were properly addressed, when it morphed into
the Tempest..

A-A, the P-38 needed something, but never really got it, -  'cept the  boot, from the 8thAF..

Poor P-38 critical Mach performance was one fundamental reason for being dumped..

Got that, finally?

Just like I thought...you claim it under went a redesign of the airframe but yet you're unable to show any proof that it did other than toss out a straw man.  I'll ask one more time, what redesign did the P-38 under go and when did it happen?  It should be a real easy question to answer if you had any fact to back up your claim or are you gonna report this post to Skuzzy because I've got you against the wall and the firing squad is getting ready?

ack-ack

[J.A.W.]

Do some basic research if you knowledge base is so lacking A.A., even m.m. can look things up..

If you don't know that the Tempest was in fact a modified Typhoon ( new flying surfaces & fuselage stretch),
you'd best catch up..

As I wrote, ( & do you actually read the posts?)

The P-38 NEEDED redesign but only got band-aids..

[morfiend]

& why is/was FW 190 speed important?

So it could use it in combat, & having more to use is an advantage, possibly?

  Why dont you tell me,or was that a retorical question?  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I didnt ask the question to begin with,the OP was asking if the AH speeds match the speed found on the williams site.



  

[J.A.W.]

& why do you think Mf, that the O.P. feels the need for (more) speed  - in his 190?

[Karnak]

Once again, what does the P-38 have to do with the conversation?  You inserted it as a needless and irrelevant distraction.

The Bf109, P-38 and Spitfire were all sub 400mph fighters when introduced.  The Fw190 and Typhoon could both break 400mph in level flight by about 10mph.  All of these aircraft, or their decedents, could do well over 400mph by the time their development had reached its climax.  All of them had their own specific problems as their speeds increased because they were reaching speeds that had never been encountered before.  Of all of them, the Spitfire's wing shape was most suitable to extreme speeds, but it was insufficiently rigid as implemented in the Spitfire, leading to things like aileron reversal.

[J.A.W.]

Not irrelevant  - as you amply show by your next paragraph Knak,
& it serves as comparison to improvements needed but not made..

You will note that Supermarine redesigned the Spitfire wing for the 20 series,
& again for the Spiteful..

& the Spitfires high Mach wing was fine, but the Spitfire was out-dived in combat by 190 & 109,
but the Typhoon & Tempest were not..

[Ack-Ack]

Once again, what does the P-38 have to do with the conversation?  You inserted it as a needless and irrelevant distraction.

It's his modus operandi, when he can't use facts he uses irrelevant distractions to try and shore up his argument.  It's the Schlowy Theory of Advanced Debate.

ack-ack

[Karnak]

Not irrelevant  - as you amply show by your next paragraph Knak,
& it serves as comparison to improvements needed but not made..

You will note that Supermarine redesigned the Spitfire wing for the 20 series,
& again for the Spiteful..

& the Spitfires high Mach wing was fine, but the Spitfire was out-dived in combat by 190 & 109,
but the Typhoon & Tempest were not..

Spitfire reached higher dive speeds than any other piston engined aircraft.  Not just WWII fighter.

The Bf109 and Fw190 had better dive acceleration, but not higher maximum dive speeds.

The redesigned Spitfire wing for the 20 series retained the dive advantages.  The Spiteful's new wing was inferior.

[J.A.W.]

It's his modus operandi, when he can't use facts he uses irrelevant distractions to try and shore up his argument.  It's the Schlowy Theory of Advanced Debate.

ack-ack

Oh the irony,
Since A.A. resorts to spurious references as ad-hominem substitute for non-knowledge & absence of facts..

[J.A.W.]

Spitfire reached higher dive speeds than any other piston engined aircraft.  Not just WWII fighter.

The Bf109 and Fw190 had better dive acceleration, but not higher maximum dive speeds.

The redesigned Spitfire wing for the 20 series retained the dive advantages.  The Spiteful's new wing was inferior.

But Spitfire critical Mach was not so useful in combat, & not approved in the pilots notes..

[MiloMorai]

The P-38 NEEDED redesign but only got band-aids..

What needed to be redesigned for an a/c that had a top speed of 435-440mph?

No jaw I was not wrong about the Tempest as a front line a/c.