Spitfire Wing Configurations

[Nimrod45]

I'm sure this is an old request but it is an easy one and historically accurate.

My request is a broader selection of guns for the Spitfire.  The reason being is that from 1942 on the majority of Spitfires coming off the line had the C Type wing which allowed for four .303 machine guns and two 20mm cannons or two .50cal guns and two cannons, OR four 20mm cannons.  There is no reason the VIII or the IX should be limited to the peashooters mixed in with the cannons. 

[BnZs]

As long as you are okay with the .50s being a perk option on the VIII and IX and the 4 20s being a HEAVILY, HEAVILY perked option, this could work I guess. Anything with two Hispanos is already superbly armed, and if the somewhat clunky C-Hog with 4 20s is perked, a freakin' Spixteen sporting quad Hispanos should be perked even higher.

[BaldEagl]

IIRC the only four Hispano Spits that saw service were Spit V's in Africa.  Guppy will be along shortly to confirm.

[Nimrod45]

Yes, but there were many more IX's that saw service with a pair of .50's and .20's.  They weren't limited to the .303's.  on the plus side of this request I think it would put more people in the seat of the IX and the VIII and take them out of the Spixteen that everyone fears and hates so bad.

[BaldEagl]

As a Spit IX driver I'd love to see the .50 cal option available but the ENY would have to change as well which I wouldn't be as excited about.

Once you get used to the .303's they aren't that bad.

[Fulcrum]

While I don't fly spits all that often I think this would be pretty cool.

[BnZs]

1 Hispano is generally considered to equal at least 3 .50s in damage capacity. So keep in mind that arming a plane with a pair of each is basically giving it the same destructive capacity as a P-47.

[Nimrod45]

1 Hispano is generally considered to equal at least 3 .50s in damage capacity. So keep in mind that arming a plane with a pair of each is basically giving it the same destructive capacity as a P-47.

Okay, go shoot something with a P-47 then a Spixteen and say that again with a straight face.  Also a P-47 can make it rain for about 30 seconds longer.  Bad comparison.

[Fish42]

Okay, go shoot something with a P-47 then a Spixteen and say that again with a straight face.  Also a P-47 can make it rain for about 30 seconds longer.  Bad comparison.

They both go BOOM?

[BnZs]

Okay, go shoot something with a P-47 then a Spixteen and say that again with a straight face.  Also a P-47 can make it rain for about 30 seconds longer.  Bad comparison.

I've shot lots of things with both planes and anything with Hispanos gets the job done easier because of the greater damage for each single ping of the the Hizookas. IE, if .50s, even 8 of them, are going all over the plane, it may not actually do much, but single Hispano pings remove control surfaces.

Now YOU go study any of the pages devoted to AH that calculate weapons effectiveness. Actually if you got to http://www.gonzoville.com/charts/index.php and compare P-47 to Spixteen, you'll find the calculated lethality of the Jug is 80, while that of the Spixteen is 89. So I was wrong, the two Hispanos and two .50s are actually slightly MORE lethal than 8 .50s. I say again, MORE lethal.

[BnZs]

Okay, go shoot something with a P-47 then a Spixteen and say that again with a straight face.  Also a P-47 can make it rain for about 30 seconds longer.  Bad comparison.

My my, don't we feel silly now?

[BnZs]

Further explanation: Say that ingame each round from a Hispano is equivalent to 3 .50s in lethality. It is actually slightly more, but we'll go with 3 for simplicity. But, to do damage in game, those rounds really need to land on the same part of the aircraft. The single round from the Hispano by definition hits one place, being one round and all . Due to issues of convergence, dispersion, aim, etc, the 3 .50 caliber rounds it takes to do the same damage  may end up on different parts of the plane. Thus in actual virtual combat, 2 Hispanos end up being much more likely to get a one burst kill than the six or so fifties that put out the same theoretical amount of total damage.

[gyrene81]

Okay, go shoot something with a P-47 then a Spixteen and say that again with a straight face.  Also a P-47 can make it rain for about 30 seconds longer.  Bad comparison.

learn to shoot...easiest fix. try bruising that spitdweeb gamer ego a bit and grab a plane that without cannons and requires some finesse to fly. if you can handle getting shot down a lot while you learn to get kills with peashooters the training wheels planes will be much easier.

[puller]

Flying the spit IX I get way more one burst kills than when I fly the 47-11...but if they want to put 4 20mm on any given spit perk the loadout...there is no doubt it will be flown a lot...hey while we are at it lets ask for 4 20mm package on the pony and a korea arena 

[Nimrod45]

No I don't feel silly but you should for getting all wadded up like that.  I don't care what the calculations that are over ten years old say a P-47 carries a much heavier gun package in terms of guns and ammo capacity.  See how to make a point like a grown up without the CAPITAL letters, what is that anyway your attempt to say it louder?  If you aren't a fan of the wish then just say so, don't act like a child and insult other players for their ideas or the plane preference, unless of course you want to pay many bill then I will fly what ever you want me too, something your not scared of perhaps.  Try leaving your inflated ego out of it from now on.