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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #165 on: January 20, 2014, 01:48:08 PM »
I'd wait-n-see before making any judgements on the plane.  It may fly like a brick and be as tricky as the B25 in low level maneuvers.  It could be as fragile as an egg, too.
Obviously we don't know, but comments from those who flew it wouldn't support such.  Its wing loading is about the same as a Mossie's, not sure if that is loaded or  bombs gone, so those expecting an A-20G agile bomber are likely to be disappointed, but it was supposed to be tough.  It doesn't look like it has much, or any, armor from the front for the pilot so I am wondering how vulnerable he will be.

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On the same note, don't be surprised if the B26 is not the same.  Me thinks when HTC updates a plane the flight models become more accurate and in many cases it is "worse" that the original model.  If that is the case with the B26 I anticipate a chorus a crying similar to coyotes in the middle of winter.  We'll see once the update arrives.
The damage model is where I suspect the B-26 might take the hit.  There is also always the issue of visibility from the guns and gun arcs.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #166 on: January 20, 2014, 02:17:45 PM »
You might find this interesting: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,328373.msg4299722.html#msg4299722

Right, I remember that original post.

In the design pictures I see ample effort to protect the crew. Perhaps others can comment more on the state of Soviet canopy glass and other armor plating. Also how protected was the TU-2S from fire in its design.

It looks lean, mean, and efficient does it not?
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #167 on: January 20, 2014, 02:21:58 PM »
It looks lean, mean, and efficient does it not?
Very much so.  I fully expect it to be one of the most common bombers in the MA.

And I look forward to putting it through its paces.  I have long had a space reserved for it on my fighter-bomber performance spreadsheet.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #168 on: January 20, 2014, 04:20:26 PM »
Any idea how much ammo its gun positions had?  The Il-2's rear gun is seriously ammo limited and if the Tu-2S has the same 250 rounds per position that is going to be an issue.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #169 on: January 20, 2014, 04:48:49 PM »
Any idea how much ammo its gun positions had?  The Il-2's rear gun is seriously ammo limited and if the Tu-2S has the same 250 rounds per position that is going to be an issue.

Add to that the limited firing arcs. These are no turrets, so despite the relatively high speed I personally don't expect the Tu-2, when flown conventionally with formation, being that much of a problem to attack like the B-26 or Ki-67
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #170 on: January 20, 2014, 04:51:20 PM »
Add to that the limited firing arcs. These are no turrets, so despite the relatively high speed I personally don't expect the Tu-2, when flown conventionally with formation, being that much of a problem to attack like the B-26 or Ki-67
Fortunately the direct 6 approach seems fairly well covered by three 12.7mm guns.

That ought to defend it effectively against about two thirds of attacks mounted on it.  :p
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #171 on: January 20, 2014, 04:55:49 PM »
Fortunately the direct 6 approach seems fairly well covered by three 12.7mm guns.

That ought to defend it effectively against about two thirds of attacks mounted on it.  :p

 :D That's why I wrote 'personally'.  :old:

This weekend with a lot of strats defense I was again and again flabbergastedseeing how players were using their 400+ mph fighter to stay on the six of a 250mph bomber  :bhead
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #172 on: January 20, 2014, 05:06:48 PM »
So, Lusche, do you know if it is 250rpg for the defensive positions?  Or were they more liberal with the ammo than for the smaller Il-2?
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #173 on: January 20, 2014, 05:10:50 PM »
So, Lusche, do you know if it is 250rpg for the defensive positions?  Or were they more liberal with the ammo than for the smaller Il-2?

Russian bombers are not known for their liberal positions  :lol



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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #174 on: January 20, 2014, 05:25:08 PM »
So, Lusche, do you know if it is 250rpg for the defensive positions?  Or were they more liberal with the ammo than for the smaller Il-2?


I only have read about the 12.7 UBT's having 250-270 rounds per gun.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #175 on: January 20, 2014, 05:28:48 PM »
Russian bombers are not known for their liberal positions  :lol

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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #176 on: January 20, 2014, 05:34:59 PM »
Russian bombers are not known for their liberal positions  :lol



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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #177 on: January 20, 2014, 05:40:26 PM »
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #178 on: January 20, 2014, 05:44:46 PM »
i didn't get it even though i think i should
I got it when I posted it.  I just wondered how long it would take somebody to bite.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #179 on: January 20, 2014, 06:00:38 PM »
Any idea how much ammo its gun positions had?  The Il-2's rear gun is seriously ammo limited and if the Tu-2S has the same 250 rounds per position that is going to be an issue.

I posted this earlier in this thread, it lists the ammo per gun:


top: 190
middle: 250
bottom: 350
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