NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2

[Karnak]

I posted this earlier in this thread, it lists the ammo per gun:
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top: 190
middle: 250
bottom: 350

Odd.  I'd have expected uniform quantities.

[Lusche]

The rof of the UBT is given as 800-1050 rounds per minute. So at an assume 900 rpm, the ammo would last for

top: 12.5 seconds
middle 16.5 seconds
bottom 23 seconds

in comparison, the (in my opinion) dreadfully short clip of the Lancasters .50 tailguns has a firing time of 25 seconds, the Ki-67 rear 12.7mm have 27 seconds (400 rpg) and the top 20mm (250 rpg) has  21 seconds of cannon fire.
The current incarnation of the B-26 has a rear turret firing time of just over 1 full minute...

[Karnak]

Yes, this is definitely a weakness for the Tu-2S.

The limited .50 ammo on the Lancaster's makes me take the quad .303s for their plentiful supply of weaker ammo.

[Wmaker]

Odd.  I'd have expected uniform quantities.

I'm sure it has to do with the limited space. Looking at some of the drawings of the gunner positions, it for example would have made the maneuvering the gun rather awkward in the top most position if the ammo box would have been any bigger.

[Karnak]

I'm sure it has to do with the limited space. Looking at some of the drawings of the gunner positions, it for example would have made the maneuvering the gun rather awkward in the top most position if the ammo box would have been any bigger.

If I were the gunner I'd be trying to find places to stash additional ammo boxes that I could change out in flight if need be.

[Lusche]

If I were the gunner I'd be trying to find places to stash additional ammo boxes that I could change out in flight if need be.

I could imagine many have, but that would be 'unofficial'

[Karnak]

I could imagine many have, but that would be 'unofficial'

Indeed.  Unless there was a place to store additional ammo boxes as on the 20mm cannon drums for the G4M and H8K.

[Ack-Ack]

What kind of bomb sight did it use?

ack-ack

[Arlo]

What kind of bomb sight did it use?

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

Remember... many thought the Me410 would dominate the bomber hunting/killing aspect of AH too.  It doesn't.

I'd wait-n-see before making any judgements on the plane.  It may fly like a brick and be as tricky as the B25 in low level maneuvers.  It could be as fragile as an egg, too.

On the same note, don't be surprised if the B26 is not the same.  Me thinks when HTC updates a plane the flight models become more accurate and in many cases it is "worse" that the original model.  If that is the case with the B26 I anticipate a chorus a crying similar to coyotes in the middle of winter.  We'll see once the update arrives.

To put it in perspective, it will have a wing loading of around 45 lbs/sqft when loaded. IIRC, the Me 410 has a wing loading of around 39lbs when on 25% fuel with base armament and no ordnance. Its certianly not going to be very capable of dog-fighting; nothing even close to the A-20.

[Arlo]

Add to that the limited firing arcs. These are no turrets, so despite the relatively high speed I personally don't expect the Tu-2, when flown conventionally with formation, being that much of a problem to attack like the B-26 or Ki-67

[Karnak]

To put it in perspective, it will have a wing loading of around 45 lbs/sqft when loaded. IIRC, the Me 410 has a wing loading of around 39lbs when on 25% fuel with base armament and no ordnance. Its certianly not going to be very capable of dog-fighting; nothing even close to the A-20.

Well, to put that in perspective a fully laden Me410 had a wing loading of 60.8lbs/sq.ft.  45lbs/sq.ft when loaded isn't that bad and light on fuel, bombs gone it may not be too far off of the A-20G.

[Tank-Ace]

Well, to put that in perspective a fully laden Me410 had a wing loading of 60.8lbs/sq.ft.  45lbs/sq.ft when loaded isn't that bad and light on fuel, bombs gone it may not be too far off of the A-20G.

The only thing is that a "light" Me 410 is still quite a pig. Easy meat for anything thats anywhere CLOSE to co-E.


Now it might make a decent ground-attack plane, but I'm thinking thats going to be primarily because of its large number of bombs, 20mm cannons for deacking, as opposed to the A-20 which has a large number of bombs, and can take care of itself in some measure.

[morfiend]

Well, to put that in perspective a fully laden Me410 had a wing loading of 60.8lbs/sq.ft.  45lbs/sq.ft when loaded isn't that bad and light on fuel, bombs gone it may not be too far off of the A-20G.

  I saw the wingloading and it varied from 45 LBs down to 23 lbs which is a rather low wingloading,even id it's in the mid 30's it should be a fairly manuverable A/C. From all reports I read the pilots really liked it and praised it's speed and handling.
   It should be a great ground pounder and I think the GV whines will be epic!!


   

[Wmaker]

One thing I noticed from the screenshots are dive brakes. The initial production versions had them but the mass produced Tu-2S did not.

No idea if they are just a graphical element of the skin or actually functional.