New russian subs

[Changeup]

Chicomm boomers are too loud to be a threat.  SOSUS picks them up as soon as they hit deep water but the new Russian subs are setting the standard for quiet. 

[GScholz]

Yeah... How many SOSUS stations remain active? Three?

[Delirium]

Frankly, unless you're in the business of listening to Russian submarines this entire thread is just talking out of your a**.

Those that are in the business never open their mouths and with good reason. Having worked, played, and drank with many 'silent service' gentleman out of Groton Connecticut I learned that the 'silent service' description is accurate both at sea and in port.

[USRanger]

Frankly, unless you're in the business of listening to Russian submarines this entire thread is just talking out of your a**.

Those that are in the business never open their mouths and with good reason. Having worked, played, and drank with many 'silent service' gentleman out of Groton Connecticut I learned that the 'silent service' description is accurate both at sea and in port.

amen

[Changeup]

Yeah... How many SOSUS stations remain active? Three?

Less than 4 and apparently, with in difference to Del, the ARTICLE that spit that factoid out of its a** indicated the ChiComm subs are loud enough to not need more in the Pacific.  The article that talked out its a** quoted intel sources that were talking out of their a**es.

[Lusche]

Frankly, unless you're in the business of listening to Russian submarines this entire thread is just talking out of your a**.

Not me, I played the Harpoon tabletop wargame back in the early 90's, so I consider myself an expert on such matters!  

[Bodhi]

That's ignorant.  You're spitting on the graves of thousands who died during the "cold" war.  Not sure what point you're trying to make but it failed...

I am not pissing on the graves of anyone.  You are misconstruing what I said. 

[zack1234]

I have a feeling that with Putin's new natural resources policy and his pledged rearming of the Russian Federation to match China and the USA by the mid 2020's.

That the Pentagon will be taking them alot more seriously than you think. Every time we (The West) has considered someone an inferior enemy they tend to either kick the crap out of us to begin with or surprise us with something we weren't expecting and have to race to catch them.

I think the Russians are starting to make a comeback.

So its Russia,North Korea,Syria,Iran and China who are going to take the White House hostage again?

Thank goodness, we can have Russian baddies in James Bonds films again

You can't turn your back on any of em!

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Even if the military wouldn't be able to track the enemy at all (or especially then) for propaganda reasons they would report that their superior tech can track the enemy at all times.

[Slate]

Thank goodness, we can have Russian baddies in James Bonds films again

You can't turn your back on any of em!

[Plawranc]

To paraphrase/quote Sun Tzu:

"War is simply an extension of policy and should never be taken lightly as it dictates the very survival of the state. It is therefore a necessity to enter a war with all powers available to you as it is fatal if not done so".

In short. If the Russian's have indeed built a quiet submarine, Sneaky Soviet Red October style, then The Pentagon better be on the way with a highly sensitive Sonar System.

[zack1234]

Gibberish

[Gman]

Frankly, unless you're in the business of listening to Russian submarines this entire thread is just talking out of your a**.

Those that are in the business never open their mouths and with good reason. Having worked, played, and drank with many 'silent service' gentleman out of Groton Connecticut I learned that the 'silent service' description is accurate both at sea and in port.

Very true.  Our own "KillnU" is a long serving Chief on one of the USA's 688 boats, and you won't get much other than what boat he's on, and that it goes in the water out of him.  It's a very serious business, right on the pointy end  and lives are at stake every time a boat goes to sea to help protect our freedoms and lifestyle in the western world.  

I've read much the opposite regarding current Russian naval subs, that they've gotten very quiet, not as good as the Virginia, Seawolf, and some of the Nato AIP propulsion electric subs, but they have vastly improved compared to the old louder classes.  The same goes for the Chinese, their latest, and I mean latest subs are a full order of magnitude better than previous units with regards to sound footprint and systems.  http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/2013.htm  has some great info on Chinese naval assets, and Jeff Head is a former US Navy expert on their capabilities.  Email him some questions regarding Russian and Chinese subs, and you'll get your eyes opened as to what the actual state of things are - underestimating them would be a massive, massive error.


I always think of the AA-11 R73 missile when people start to blow off Russian/Soviet technology.  This missile was in service a long, long time before the Aim9m, and Aim9x, and for years the Russians had an IR missile that was superior to the Western counterparts of the era, like the Aim9L and others.   Also,  not to mention the fact that it could be fired off axis from the helmet mounted sights the Soviets/Russians had which none in NATO did at the time.  All the while many writers, analysts, and interested civilians thought that the current Sidewinders were the king of the roost, when it just wasn't so.  Writing off the Russians and other potential adversaries as making "inferior crap" is a vastly oversimplified and incorrect way of evaluating their capabilities IMO.

[kappa]

I work with many many ex navy/navy nukes.. Had a couple telling me how a Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of one of our Battle groups...  That is not suppose to be possible.. but seems it is..

Kinda silly to think we have the only capable Navy...

[Changeup]

I work with many many ex navy/navy nukes.. Had a couple telling me how a Chinese sub surfaced in the middle of one of our Battle groups...  That is not suppose to be possible.. but seems it is..

Kinda silly to think we have the only capable Navy...

Wait...ex Submariners spoke to you??   Those bubbleheads will be kilt.

Don't tell Del...