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Offline TOMCAT21

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Question or two about the Spit 14
« on: January 20, 2014, 06:54:43 AM »
After 8 years in the game I decided to try the Spit 14 out. Is there anything specific to flying the Spit 14 and how does it compare to the Spit 16 or are they two different aircraft ?
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2014, 07:27:03 AM »
Quote from: TOMCAT21 on January 20, 2014, 06:54:43 AM
After 8 years in the game I decided to try the Spit 14 out. Is there anything specific to flying the Spit 14 and how does it compare to the Spit 16 or are they two different aircraft ?
:airplane: Tom, u have flown with me enough to know I don't "jerk" aircraft around in this game like I see others doing, but I have flown the 14 a good bit, and the only comment I would have is just be careful when approaching compress speed, the wings will come off if not careful. Was chasing a 47M the other day, in a dive and he pulled up and left and when I tried to follow, right wing came off and I had not blacked out with two many "G's". Have done the same thing chasing other aircraft in the 16 and didn't have a problem.
Maybe I was to "ham fisted" on that pursuit of the jug. The 14 is a very good aircraft and I would recommend it to anyone, but until you find the limits, just be careful. Maybe take it into TA and put it thru some extensive maneuvers to see what you can do with it. It accelerates quickly, especially going nose down and holds its "E" pretty good going vertical. A little short on range, but what the heck, we usually don't stay up long anyway, at least I don't!
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2014, 07:39:43 AM »
TC....if you get a chance, try and look up MachFly he flies rooks, and is very good in the 14
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2014, 07:42:01 AM »
The 14 is about 20 mph faster than the 16 with the speed difference becoming greater once you're over 20000'.  Climb rate is significantly better in the 14 vs the 16.   The 16 has the advantage in the turn by about 1 degree/second in rate and 70' in radius (this from Mosqs' turn info).

The engine/prop turns anti-clockwise so you'll torque is opposite the norm.  I like the 14, it's my go to airplane if I need a quick interceptor for fighter vs fighter/jabo.  Handling is okay until you get to either extreme….roll drops off at high speed (it is a Spit) and at low speed the 14 is less forgiving than the other Spit models.  Keeping it in trim helps, at least for me.  It can depart violently but recovery is normal.  Throttle control is important, you'll want to control your speed.

I haven't had any issue with pulling a wing off, but like ET I tend not to yank the stick around.  Routinely play the edge of blackout so you don't have to worry about load factor at least up to the 6.5g range.

She does have short range, I take 100% plus the drop tank on all sorties.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 09:03:03 AM »
Quote from: TOMCAT21 on January 20, 2014, 06:54:43 AM
After 8 years in the game I decided to try the Spit 14 out. Is there anything specific to flying the Spit 14 and how does it compare to the Spit 16 or are they two different aircraft ?

The Spit14 is the best 109 ever made. Fight like a 109 (in the vertical) and you'll do great!
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2014, 06:29:09 PM »
Here's a period graph showing what the Spit 14 could do speed-wise at low level,
when boosted out to a bottom-end bearing bruising +25lbs boost on 150 grade gas for V1 catching..

(Note also the Merlin Mustang speed, also on +25lbs boost)..

Don't you wish that kind of WEP  was available here, on A-H?

Yeah, you do..

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14+25lb.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/150grade/appendix.pdf
« Last Edit: January 20, 2014, 06:31:14 PM by J.A.W. »
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2014, 06:45:18 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on January 20, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
The Spit14 is the best 109 ever made. Fight like a 109 (in the vertical) and you'll do great!


Excellent advice, and a good comparison.  Keep your feet nimble on the rudder.

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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2014, 11:53:27 AM »
Quote from: J.A.W. on January 20, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
Here's a period graph showing what the Spit 14 could do speed-wise at low level,
when boosted out to a bottom-end bearing bruising +25lbs boost on 150 grade gas for V1 catching..

(Note also the Merlin Mustang speed, also on +25lbs boost)..

Don't you wish that kind of WEP  was available here, on A-H?

Yeah, you do..

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14+25lb.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/150grade/appendix.pdf

Giving all allied rides their 1945 performance would be a bad idea in my opinion. Except as an optional perk price.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2014, 11:56:00 AM »
Quote from: SirNuke on January 21, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Giving all allied rides their 1945 performance would be a bad idea in my opinion. Except as an optional perk price.
1944, not 1945.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2014, 12:15:18 PM »
The SpitfireXIV is a very unstable platform in the air. I do not know why this should be. It was difficult on the ground but I've never read about it having problems in the air.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2014, 12:29:40 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on January 21, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
1944, not 1945.

Still a terrible idea.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2014, 12:39:49 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on January 21, 2014, 12:29:40 PM
Still a terrible idea.
Didn't say otherwise.
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Offline J.A.W.

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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2014, 03:17:55 PM »
& yet the F4U-4, P-47M/N are in despite not being in action 'til `45..
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2014, 03:36:13 PM »
Quote from: J.A.W. on January 21, 2014, 03:17:55 PM
& yet the F4U-4, P-47M/N are in despite not being in action 'til `45..
And that is relevant how?

Ta152 and N1K2-J are also in despite not seeing action until 1945.
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Re: Question or two about the Spit 14
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2014, 03:50:09 PM »
Did you read the thread Knak?

Even your own posts?

If very late war  combat flying fighters are in ( & in totally fictional scenarios to boot),

then why are other factual late war matters like high boost/150 grade petrol excluded?
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