Fuel burn multiplier

[Tank-Ace]

So, the thread about the Spitfire's range got me thinking about fuel burn and it's effects on the game.

After about half an hour of meandering over the mental landscape, I thought about different fuel burn multipliers for different classes of aircraft.


Would it be possible to make bombers with a separate fuel burn multiplier? I mean as it is, fuel is pretty much a non-issue for bombers, when in real life, a lightened pay load was often taken so that a greater range could be achieved. Say, increase bomber fuel burn multiplier to 3.0, make fuel a bit more of a concern for bomber pilots.

Might not be too bad if they even had to throttle back a bit to make it to more distant targets.

[Ack-Ack]

Fuel burn settings is arena only, not by plane.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

I know. But I was just wondering if it would be possible to split that into two different settings, one for bombers, one for fighters. I mean I would imagine its possible, given that bombers are already differentiated from fighters in the code, since their availability is tied to a different set of hangers than are fighters and vehicles.

[MrKrabs]

-50

One set of planes don't need magically longer-lasting fuel than another...

[icepac]

I'm curious why we train in an arena that has a different fuel burn multiplier than all  but the Dueling Arena.

Also.....I feel the dueling arena would benefit from having the 2.0 fuel burn so we don't have late war gas hogs tearing around for half an hour on 25% fuel because it seems any issues with flight modeling fidelity seem to show up more often at super light fuel loads.

Fuel management is a part of air combat.

[Tank-Ace]

-50

One set of planes don't need magically longer-lasting fuel than another...

Quite debatable.

Many fighters have a pretty short range, relatively speaking. 75%-100% fuel is probably standard for the 109's, 190's, Spit 's, Typhoon, F4U's, Ki-84, N1K2, Yak's and La's. Basically the US Pursuit fighters and A6M/Ki-43 are the only fighters that have a useful flight duration on 25-50% fuel. So most fighters already run 75 -100%.


Bombers, on the other hand, are able to run 25% fuel for every tactical mission, which is probably 70% of bomber sorties. Fuel just isn't a concern for them, they don't even have to fly at cruise speed for strat runs.


They probably still won't have to throttle back anyway. It just means taking 50% instead of 25% for these short little hops. Hell, the ones that run low alt can probably still take 25%.

[LCADolby]

Fuel burn settings is arena only, not by plane.

ack-ack

*nudge*... me163 ... *nudge nudge*

[Ack-Ack]

*nudge*... me163 ... *nudge nudge*

The Me 163 doesn't have a special fuel burn rate set specifically for that plane.  It's limited by the fuel rate burn set by the arena settings.

ack-ack

[Lusche]

The Me 163 doesn't have a special fuel burn rate set specifically for that plane.  It's limited by the fuel rate burn set by the arena settings.

ack-ack

Me 163 fuel burn rate is hardcoded and can't be tweaked by arena settings

[Karnak]

Ki-84 is fine on 50% fuel.  Not sure about the N1K2-J.

Ta152, Me410 and Mossie also don't need full fuel.  Bf110s might get by on 50% as well.


One thing to note is that bumping the bomber fuel burn to 3x would impact things like the Boston Mk III and Ju88A-4 to a much larger degree than it would things like the Lancaster and B-17G.  Not to mention the B5N2, D3A1, Ju87D-3, SBD-5 and TBM-3.  Tu-2 looks to have a fairly short range for a bomber as well.

[bustr]

Is our fuel burn modeled to real world range at Mil Power or real world time to altitude?

[Karnak]

Is our fuel burn modeled to real world range at Mil Power or real world time to altitude?

Neither.  The engines simply burn twice as much fuel as they would in reality, more or less based on the accuracy of the model, at whatever power setting and altitude they are being run at.  Changes to range, endurance and such are simply the organic results of the base change.

[Ack-Ack]

Me 163 fuel burn rate is hardcoded and can't be tweaked by arena settings

Did not know that.  Thought it was tied to the arena settings like all other planes.

ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

I vote to increase the burn rate to 2.25 or maybe even 2.5, then code that DT's are not allowed unless 100% fuel is taken, then make it so when enough fuel tanks are destroyed on a field the max fuel able to be taken is 50% instead of the current 75%.  Bring fuel in to the strategic element like ammo is.

... oh wait... that wasn't the question.  Sorry.   

I seem to have the answer to a question no one asked (at least in this thread).   

I say keep the burn modifier the same for all aircraft regardless of class.  Though not much, it does add in some strategic elements to AH.  There is a reason we don't see Typhoons as escort fighters and in long range jabo missions. 

[BaldEagl]

Bostons would be worthless.  One to two sectors out they'd have to turn for home or else make it to their target then bomb and bail.