More and more bailing after bombing

[Debrody]

lol--no-bomb and bailers don't bother me--esp if i'm close enough to get the proxy's

lol yeah, once intercepted a v-joker-mission in a jet, got like 9 kills without even firing my guns    The bast part of it was TKO bragging on 200 how all my "kills" are worthless - yes they were worthless but just too funny  

[Aspen]

I don't see bomb and bail enough to warrant spending any coding time on it.  But, I spend most of my time low so my view may be skewed.  I enjoy fighting 2cmex and crew.  I prefer it when he's in a nik1 and turning, but when he's in a Temp I just use it as SA practice.  Having to watch out for a high fast opponent while preoccupied seems like it was pretty common in WWII.  The only thing they may be guilty of is having an inaccurate squad name 

[Tank-Ace]

Who cares.  It's a game.  They baited you and you were dumb enough to swallow the bait hook line and sinker.

How does bailing mean I took the bait?

Did you ever think that instead of "using" his wingmen they were all working together the whole time?

Both? IDK, I think when a guy says "hey wingmen, keep him busy so I can get E and go kill him" they're still being used as tools, even if they are working together. And I said they were working together from the start, if you would care to read.

Did you ever think it took seven minutes only because you had an 8K alt advantage to start (and still lost)?

Had I kept BnZing,yes. But when one of them dove too far away (4k down with about 2k horizonal seperation), I dove down and started maneuvering with whoever was in the third 109. Missed the shot and ended up maneuvering with the two of them untill 2cmex comes tearing in for an easy kill.

BTW, how many of his wingmen that you were "beating the crap out of" did you kill?  0?

Doesn't matter, I was still outflying them. I personally don't care for your narrow interpretation of "success", as defined as simple number of kills.



And as I said, I was on the fence about the whole thing, right until that ignorant braying of "lol, PWND" pops up on 200. At that point, I thought "f**k it, I made the right call". As Devil later said, "any day you piss of 2cmex is a good day", and now I must say I agree completely.

[captain1ma]

maybe you should get grounded for 2 minutes for bombing and bailing? guys that bomb and bail aren't after points, so they should be punished somehow!

[puller]

I don't see bomb and bail enough to warrant spending any coding time on it.  But, I spend most of my time low so my view may be skewed.  I enjoy fighting 2cmex and crew.  I prefer it when he's in a nik1 and turning, but when he's in a Temp I just use it as SA practice.  Having to watch out for a high fast opponent while preoccupied seems like it was pretty common in WWII.  The only thing they may be guilty of is having an inaccurate squad name  

We enjoy all the fights we get into.  And of course we get a lot of flak from our squad name (usually all derogatory and lots of pm's) but we just take it as we are doing something right as far as irritating the enemy...you can also bet if you encounter one of us the others aren't too far away (a whopping number of 4)...isn't that the whole point of squad tactics though?...an unfortunate thing though is that 2cmex will not go to the DA anymore because of ****** who act like children and talk abunch of unwarranted noise over a game...Sawzaw and I take on all talkers when it comes to the DA since we are nothing but mouthy tools...just petty wingmen...

[68ZooM]

maybe you should get grounded for 2 minutes for bombing and bailing? guys that bomb and bail aren't after points, so they should be punished somehow!

Make'em stay in there chute till there feet touch the ground, all that time will give them a momment for reflection lol

[lunatic1]

While your suggestion to actually flay bomb-and-bailers is an interesting idea, I like the OP's suggestion better.  A perk penalty for bailing out of an undamaged plane seems much more reasonable and more easily implemented.  That or simply don't enable bailing (enter 3x) until a plane has actually lost critical parts.

And you must really hate bomb-and-bailers, luny, to want to physically do them harm.  I agree they are a scourge of the game, but you are taking it to another level.

 
Ryno

actually that was my attemp at sarcasm-and no i do not want anybody flayed--cooked or uncooked

[Vraciu]

  I like this except make it in Icon range. Or even 1 kill would be fine. I don't see it happen that often though most good Bomber Jocks like to get in their guns and knock down the foolish on their 6.

Fair enough.   

[Kingpin]

For those that say Bomb and Bail isn't that common, I completely disagree.  I used to fly late night west coast US time, and there are a lot of "hide and sneak" players on at those low pop hours, many of whom almost exclusively bomb and bail.  Based on what I've seen and heard, one particular squad teaches and promotes it.  And it is not just in bombers, actually.  They do it in the bombers, then they do it in fighters (usually a deacking plane, like an La-7), then they do it in their goon.  They almost always bail if intercepted.

I thought this was intended to be a combat game, but there are too many players I was encountering during my hours who only wanted to avoid combat and/or didn't care about making any attempt at surviving, let alone landing their sorties.  I found it pointless to play during those hours and that is one of the primary reasons I unsubscribed from AH.

Fixing this loophole or "exploit" of being able to bail from an undamaged plane would help, IMO.  It might even hasten my return to the game (not that just one subscription matters).  But, I believe I'm not alone in feeling this way about this increasingly common play-style.

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Ryno

[Lusche]

Fixing this loophole or "exploit" of being able to bail from an undamaged plane would help, IMO.

It would not change anything. You can rip the wings in a few seconds. Et voilà, there's your damage...

[morfiend]

It would not change anything. You can rip the wings in a few seconds. Et voilà, there's your damage...

 Agreed and if HTC awarded perks for any plane in a certain range,we'd have players complaining that not enough bomber were bailing..... 

  I do like the idea of being stuck in the chute but then players would just ride the bomber down.

  It's the nature of the beast I guess,players are going to do as they please.


     

[Scca]

For those that say Bomb and Bail isn't that common, I completely disagree.  I used to fly late night west coast US time, and there are a lot of "hide and sneak" players on at those low pop hours, many of whom almost exclusively bomb and bail.  Based on what I've seen and heard, one particular squad teaches and promotes it.  And it is not just in bombers, actually.  They do it in the bombers, then they do it in fighters (usually a deacking plane, like an La-7), then they do it in their goon.  They almost always bail if intercepted.

I thought this was intended to be a combat game, but there are too many players I was encountering during my hours who only wanted to avoid combat and/or didn't care about making any attempt at surviving, let alone landing their sorties.  I found it pointless to play during those hours and that is one of the primary reasons I unsubscribed from AH.

Fixing this loophole or "exploit" of being able to bail from an undamaged plane would help, IMO.  It might even hasten my return to the game (not that just one subscription matters).  But, I believe I'm not alone in feeling this way about this increasingly common play-style.

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Ryno

It's not like this is a new problem http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,24991.0.html

Let the lame xBoxers have their fun.  Soon enough they will realize this game requires skill and a brain, and go back to WOW...

[Ack-Ack]

Let the lame xBoxers have their fun.  Soon enough they will realize this game requires skill and a brain, and go back to WOW...

It's amusing how the 'Xbox crowd' is blamed for this behavior in game when it's been done since Air Warrior.

ack-ack

[Arbiter]

It's amusing how the 'Xbox crowd' is blamed for this behavior in game when it's been done since Air Warrior.

ack-ack

We need to blame the Nintendo 64 crowd. 

[Kingpin]

It would not change anything. You can rip the wings in a few seconds. Et voilà, there's your damage...

Perhaps at the altitudes you fly at you can gain speed fast enough to do this.  Most bomb and bailers I see are mid-low alt and would likely auger before they could get out.  And, remember, we're not just talking about bombers that bail.

I think the ability to bail (enter x3) should not be enabled until you've taken critical damage.

Nowhere in my post did I blame "the Xbox crowd".  I too realize this issue is nothing new.  And least in Warbirds you had to ride the chute all the way down, but that's really only a deterrent for mid-high alt bailers.

However, I was seeing it more and more frequently during the time I was playing, and was a factor in my deciding the game was no longer worth my time.

My two cents.

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Ryno