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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #105 on: February 06, 2014, 11:47:06 AM »
and this is exactly why this world is still going...

Yahaveh is long suffering....he does not want to lose any of his children...so he will let us continue destroying ourselves letting us think we can rule our selves until we go so far as to destroy everything....

then he will put a stop to it....


personally I think it is over due....but I am not the creator nor do I think as him....I am just the clay....I have no business to tell the molder what to do with his creations.....

Yahaveh/Jehova's witness?
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #106 on: February 06, 2014, 11:49:23 AM »
Now what am I supposed to do with my soul? (...) go towards the light?


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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #107 on: February 06, 2014, 11:52:32 AM »

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No no, its Buddha. He's reached critical mass and started thermonuclear fusion.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #108 on: February 06, 2014, 11:59:21 AM »
My answer is still: No. I don't believe in a "soul" or "spirit" that cannot be defined by the parameters of the natural world. When scientists speak of the soul (if at all), it's usually in a materialistic context, or treated as a poetic synonym for the mind. Everything knowable about the "soul" can be learned by studying the functioning of the brain. In their view, neuroscience is the only branch of scientific study relevant to understanding the soul. Of course, most spiritual people view the soul as emphatically more definitive than the scientific concept. It's considered the incorporeal essence of a person, and is said to be immortal and transcendent of material existence. I don't believe in that.
not that i'm saying what you believe is wrong but, if we were to follow the logic of being defined by the parameters of the natural world, plants would not be classified as alive in any sense. think about it...
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #109 on: February 06, 2014, 12:01:45 PM »
Sure they would. Plants are alive, because we say so. "Life" is just a human definition of complex chemical processes. Nothing more.

Oh, and that definition isn't terribly specific btw. There is a lot of discussion in the scientific community of just where to draw the line.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2014, 12:01:59 PM »
None of that makes any sense to me.

I hate to say it...but I am not surprised.

I do not say that in disrespect....

"....Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance"





Yahaveh/Jehova's witness?

no "J" in Hebrew...it is Yahaveh.....and jesus is also wrong...his name is Yeshua.....

if you could find an early(very early say 1611) KJV Bible the name "jesus" is no where in it...the word used is "Iesus" a translation of Yeshua...

the one thing I do agree with the Jahovehs witness...is the fact that Yeshua, never died on a "cross" he was pinned to a tree.(the greek word for cross IIRC is "stauros" which means "stake" the cross was a pagan symbol the catholics brought into their religion...

but they call him jesus just like the rest of the world....and they know that Jahoveh is incorrect...but humans are stubborn creatures.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2014, 12:13:01 PM »
No it is in no way disrespectful to call me evil and tell me I'm going to burn in hell for not believing in your God. If I were to be frightened by the threat of damnation I would have to do some considerable research into which Hell is the worst... Because if I choose to worship your God then I will surely be dammed by a hundred other Gods, and their followers.


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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #112 on: February 06, 2014, 12:22:24 PM »
I hate to say it...but I am not surprised.

I do not say that in disrespect....

"....Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance"





no "J" in Hebrew...it is Yahaveh.....and jesus is also wrong...his name is Yeshua.....

if you could find an early(very early say 1611) KJV Bible the name "jesus" is no where in it...the word used is "Iesus" a translation of Yeshua...

the one thing I do agree with the Jahovehs witness...is the fact that Yeshua, never died on a "cross" he was pinned to a tree.(the greek word for cross IIRC is "stauros" which means "stake" the cross was a pagan symbol the catholics brought into their religion...

but they call him jesus just like the rest of the world....and they know that Jahoveh is incorrect...stubborn creatures.
As you point out, there are problems with books translated numerous times, especially when we are talking about poetry.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2014, 12:25:40 PM »
No it is in no way disrespectful to call me evil and tell me I'm going to burn in hell for not believing in your God. If I were to be frightened by the threat of damnation I would have to do some considerable research in which Hell is the worst... Because if I choose to worship your God then I will surely be dammed by a hundred other Gods, and their followers.
This.

INK, you strongly believe you are correct. But so do many others who believe in a god or many gods that share nothing with your narrow interpretation of him. They all believe they are right, and many also have a book explaining the origins of our world. They are all just about as likely to be correct.


Now if you believe god gave us free will, it must also follow that god will accept our choices, and act in his own time regardless of our choices. If this is not the case, and he is waiting for us all to accept what you purport to be the truth, he would not have given us free will. He'll also more than likely be waiting until the last human dies.



Out of curiosity, how would you reconcile the existence of extraterrestrial life? Given the size of the universe, its VERY probable we have some company somewhere. But lets say that hypothetically we find sentient life on a world in the Epsilon Eridani system.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #114 on: February 06, 2014, 12:29:13 PM »
Out of curiosity, how would you reconcile the existence of extraterrestrial life? Given the size of the universe, its VERY probable we have some company somewhere. But lets say that hypothetically we find sentient life on a world in the Epsilon Eridani system.
i can answer that one but right now it's just a theory...plenty of circumstantial evidence exists on our planet, just not enough to conclusively say one way or the other.


Sure they would. Plants are alive, because we say so. "Life" is just a human definition of complex chemical processes. Nothing more.

Oh, and that definition isn't terribly specific btw. There is a lot of discussion in the scientific community of just where to draw the line.
so you believe plants are alive yet the idea of an energy or force that exists within all living organisms isn't believable?
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #115 on: February 06, 2014, 12:33:59 PM »
No it is in no way disrespectful to call me evil and tell me I'm going to burn in hell for not believing in your God. If I were to be frightened by the threat of damnation I would have to do some considerable research into which Hell is the worst... Because if I choose to worship your God then I will surely be dammed by a hundred other Gods, and their followers.


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once again you do not understand what was said.....

that verse is to show why Yahaveh is long suffering.....


if you took it as directed at you personally ......nothing I can do about that....




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I have a narrow interpretation of God..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
 

thats funny dude.


do any of you actually read what is typed or do you pick a word here and there and assume what was meant....





well no matter to me I did my job...if anyone wants to actually have a convo that isn't full of idiotic remarks and full of assumptions PM me....

otherwise I will not reply in this thread again.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #116 on: February 06, 2014, 12:35:21 PM »
hey Ink, i have a quick question before you go...
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #117 on: February 06, 2014, 12:35:51 PM »
An energy or "life force" that exists outside the realm of the physical world? No, that is not believable.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #118 on: February 06, 2014, 12:36:12 PM »

I have a narrow interpretation of God..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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thats funny dude.
okay


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do any of you actually read what is typed or do you pick a word here and there and assume what was meant....
yes, we just disagree with what you type.


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well no matter to me I did my job...if anyone wants to actually have a convo that isn't full of idiotic remarks and full of assumptions PM me....

otherwise I will not reply in this thread again.

That would probably be for the best.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #119 on: February 06, 2014, 12:36:44 PM »
No Ink, I don't take it personally. :)
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