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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2014, 12:56:22 PM »
An energy or "life force" that exists outside the realm of the physical world? No, that is not believable.
even if there is tangible evidence that it exists? just like anything else in science, it just depends on whether or not you believe the source...
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #121 on: February 06, 2014, 01:50:16 PM »



Thread can be locked now :aok

On a side note...it is truly, honestly SCARY to me that someone who is as clearly delusional and mentally unbalanced as ink has children to raise.

The gibberish in this thread is bad enough, but when added to all of his other posts about beating up people who argue with him on the internet, and taking out moving trucks with flying kicks... :uhoh


edit: oh and...just because I love this quote

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #122 on: February 06, 2014, 01:53:26 PM »
even if there is tangible evidence that it exists? just like anything else in science, it just depends on whether or not you believe the source...

False. Science is not authoritarian and  its not just a matter of opinion.

Science needs to be observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable.

If it doesn't comport with reality, its not science.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #123 on: February 06, 2014, 01:54:27 PM »
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On a side note...it is truly, honestly SCARY to me that someone who is as clearly delusional and mentally unbalanced as ink has children to raise.



You can go fuq yourself, bringing anyone's children into it is messed up.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #124 on: February 06, 2014, 01:56:40 PM »
False. Science is not authoritarian and  its not just a matter of opinion.

Science needs to be observable, testable, repeatable and falsifiable.

If it doesn't comport with reality, its not science.
do you view paleontology to be a science? how about psychology? or archeology?
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #125 on: February 06, 2014, 01:57:33 PM »
You can go fuq yourself, bringing anyone's children into it is messed up.

I'm pretty sure ink already started it, when he implied that those of us who don't believe in God can't really love our kids

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #126 on: February 06, 2014, 01:57:40 PM »
On a side note...it is truly, honestly SCARY to me that someone who is as clearly delusional and mentally unbalanced as ink has children to raise.

The gibberish in this thread is bad enough, but when added to all of his other posts about beating up people who argue with him on the internet, and taking out moving trucks with flying kicks... :uhoh
if it was your intention to prove there are no limits to human stupidity, you hit a home run...
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #127 on: February 06, 2014, 01:58:03 PM »
even if there is tangible evidence that it exists? just like anything else in science, it just depends on whether or not you believe the source...
Are you referring to the for-some-reason-still-brought-up 1901 experiments where an American doctor recorded a minute loss of mass upon death of patients that no one else has been able to reproduce in a reliable fashion in the past 113 years?
If not I'd actually be really curious about this

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« Reply #128 on: February 06, 2014, 02:06:54 PM »
if it was your intention to prove there are no limits to human stupidity, you hit a home run...

What a surprise, the supporter of religion resorts to insults and hatred towards someone with a different point of view.

Imagine that!



To forestall any response suggesting that I was insulting ink - I really wasn't. Everything in my post was a fact, in the same way that science tries to only deal in facts. I truly do find it scary. He clearly is delusional and unstable based on his posts in this and other threads.

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« Reply #129 on: February 06, 2014, 02:09:50 PM »
What a surprise, the supporter of religion resorts to insults and hatred towards someone with a different point of view.

Imagine that!



To forestall any response suggesting that I was insulting ink - I really wasn't. Everything in my post was a fact, in the same way that science tries to only deal in facts. I truly do find it scary. He clearly is delusional and unstable based on his posts in this and other threads.

You sound so dumb sometimes.
It's not a fact that Ink is anything, its all your opinion and perspective.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #130 on: February 06, 2014, 02:14:35 PM »
You sound so dumb sometimes.
It's not a fact that Ink is anything, its all your opinion and perspective.


Ummm....he believes in things that are demonstrably not true. That's delusional. That's like, the definition of what delusional is  :rofl

Being mentally unbalanced is a pre-requisite for being delusional. Even without considering all the evidence from other threads where he freaks out and threatens to beat people up, or tells stories about things that are clearly either delusions, or the fabrications of a pathological liar...that is still a fact.

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #131 on: February 06, 2014, 02:15:41 PM »
What a surprise, the supporter of religion resorts to insults and hatred towards someone with a different point of view.

Imagine that!



To forestall any response suggesting that I was insulting ink - I really wasn't. Everything in my post was a fact, in the same way that science tries to only deal in facts. I truly do find it scary. He clearly is delusional and unstable based on his posts in this and other threads. Cold hard facts.
what insults or hatred? i was simply stating cold hard fact...if you cannot handle statement of fact, then maybe this isn't the right discussion for you. there is a discussion about trains that may be more suitable...


Are you referring to the for-some-reason-still-brought-up 1901 experiments where an American doctor recorded a minute loss of mass upon death of patients that no one else has been able to reproduce in a reliable fashion in the past 113 years?
If not I'd actually be really curious about this
nothing so mundane. i'm just talking about the research that has been conducted over the years regarding the biological energy field or the so called aura if you will.
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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #132 on: February 06, 2014, 03:04:15 PM »
nothing so mundane. i'm just talking about the research that has been conducted over the years regarding the biological energy field or the so called aura if you will.
such as

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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #133 on: February 06, 2014, 03:10:21 PM »
do you view paleontology to be a science? how about psychology? or archeology?

Psychology and paleontology are scientific disciplines (I worked in the field of psychology for several years). They use the scientific method to produce results. The work they produce is observable, testable, repeatable and fasifiable, otherwise its not considered accurate.
Archeology has a foot in the camps of science and humanities. It uses scientific methods for much of its work, but also relies on histories and human cultural studies and interactions, so cannot be considered as a 'science' alone.

Science is not a matter of which sources you chose to believe, that's just bias. Science is a method of determining the explanation that best fits the evidence. Its the best and most reliable method of doing this that humankind has developed.

Does it get everything right? No. All answers in science are tentative and subject to be overturned, even the 'laws' (as they are descriptive, not proscriptive). Thus, Copernicus overturned Ptolmey, Einstein overturned Newton, uniformism overturned catastrophism and Darwin disproved Lamarck. Science often works by people trying to break the work of others (often kindly known as peer review  ;))

Now, if you can provide a peer reviewed study on 'biological auras', that'd be great.


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Re: Bill Nye debates Ken Ham
« Reply #134 on: February 06, 2014, 03:11:01 PM »
Read Rene Descartes.

"cogito ergo sum"

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