Unperk the Mosquito Mk. XVI

[Lusche]

Drones are abused as F*** in AH since they cost nothing and K/D is not counted in bomber score.

But damage/death is.... but then, if someone is flying that way, he doesn't care for his score at all.

To the OP wish... I think it would be pretty absurd to unperk a bomber that can haul 3x5000lbs @ 27k and about 380mph over long distances.

[SmokinLoon]

Speed is life.  The Mossi B Mk 16 is the most efficient bomber in the game, even more so than the Ar234.

Stop and think how much damage it can do in one pass (the 4k "cookies" provide a wide blast zone), how fast it can get there and return, and the risk of actually getting intercepted.

I think the perk cost is just about right. 

[Max]

I'm with Lusche and SmokinLoon. The reward outweighs the risk.

[lunatic1]

4 months ago i used the unarmed mosquito to bomb bish hq--i took the long way around.climbed to 25 to 30'000 ft. even went off map so not to be seen.but had to go thru 5 bish base radars' leveled their hq,made it back to base and landed.the 4 bish fighter's that upped couldn't catch me'they turned around and went home...with 4k bombs the unarmed mosquito is a great plane and should remain perked.give this plane it's dignaty.

[Vinkman]

A bit of hyperbole is going on here.

Point 1) No one stops buffs from flattening airfields and towns anyway. So unperking this plane will not change how often fields and towns are laid ruin.
Point 2) 12K of ords is less than one Lancaster.
Point 3) No one catches any 28K bombers.
Point 4) At 10K the MossieXVI will be caught by every Dora, Pony, 109-G14, 109-K4, Tempest, Typhoon, F4U-4, La7, Spit16, Spit14, Ta-152, YAK-3, Yak-9.

Perks are designed to limit plane use to some target level.  What is the target usage of the Mossie16? This discussion should be usage based not performance based. Perk Cost is a tune-able parameter that needs constant tweaking. If usage is below target usage, than the perks should be lowered or even eliminated (like the Spit14).  

[Lusche]

A bit of hyperbole is going on here.

Point 3) No one catches any 28K bombers.

Hyperbole, indeed.

[Sunka]

Hey Snail,got any numbers on spit 14's used before perk and after?

[Zoney]

Unperk it.  Fill the skies with more targets for me to intercept. 

[Lusche]

Hey Snail,got any numbers on spit 14's used before perk and after?

Not by hours flown or sorties taken, but by the usual metric of (K+D ). By this, the Spitfire XIV went from ~ 0.30% to about 1.3% 'usage' (with a peak of ~1.7% right after it was unperked). (Expressed in rank: the 14 went from #55 in tour 156 to #29 in tour 167)

But this metric does not really works well for bombers, particularly for those which are very much trying to avoid any combat at all

[R 105]

 I don't know if I have even encountered a Mosquito MK.XVI in the MA for sure or not. I may have shot one down once when they first came into the game.

[Zoney]

I don't know if I have even encountered a Mosquito MK.XVI in the MA for sure or not. I may have shot one down once when they first came into the game.

You aren't flying high enough.  I find them at 28K a lot.  and they are spooled up and fast so if you are hanging out at 10k, your window of being able to spot them is quite small.  I intercepted a set at 33k once in a 262

[Lusche]

I don't know if I have even encountered a Mosquito MK.XVI in the MA for sure or not. I may have shot one down once when they first came into the game.

I have killed 79 to date, but then I was a very atypical AH fighter pilot with my preference for high altitude bomber hunting. And of course I encountered many more, which I just was not always able to catch them.  

[bozon]

A bit of hyperbole is going on here.

Point 1) No one stops buffs from flattening airfields and towns anyway. So unperking this plane will not change how often fields and towns are laid ruin.

The stoppability of bombers is mostly a function of time investment from the bomber pilot side. Mossie XVI significantly shortens the required time investment.

Point 2) 12K of ords is less than one Lancaster.

It is 15k of ord, but you get to do almost two trips for the same time - assuming the lancaster also RTB and does not bomb and bail.

Point 3) No one catches any 28K bombers.

In a field attack that is correct,  not no in HQ raids. See #1, survivability is mostly a function of time investment. How many players climb to 28k to bomb a base?

Point 4) At 10K the MossieXVI will be caught by every Dora, Pony, 109-G14, 109-K4, Tempest, Typhoon, F4U-4, La7, Spit16, Spit14, Ta-152, YAK-3, Yak-9.

At 10K a 262 can be caught by those planes. This is a theoretical exercise. In practice, "how long" it takes to catch the mossie matters. Will a tempest and F4U-4 (perked rides), chase the XVI all the way to the deck at 500 mph into a gaggle of fighters happy to swarm on a perked ride? A single XVI free from its formation can maneuver and make it difficult for the planes above to get a shot - long enough for help to arrive. The XVI can turn just as good or better than half that list.

Perks are designed to limit plane use to some target level.  What is the target usage of the Mossie16? This discussion should be usage based not performance based. Perk Cost is a tune-able parameter that needs constant tweaking. If usage is below target usage, than the perks should be lowered or even eliminated (like the Spit14).  

The actual perk price makes only little difference. It is 80% psychology and only 20% perk economy. The XVI will get almost the same use if it was perked 10, 20 or 30 perks. If on the other hand the perk tag is completely removed, the suicidal players will find a "good" use for it. These same players will not use it if it cost even 1 perk. For this reason "tuning" is difficult, it is more of an all or nothing deal. If the price is halved or doubled makes little difference to me as long as it is not removed.

[Vinkman]

Hyperbole, indeed.

Not hyperbole at all.  28K and up is a very safe place for bombers. You should know. 

[Lusche]

Not hyperbole at all.  28K and up is a very safe place for bombers. You should know.  

Your statement was very straightforward: " No one catches any 28K bombers."   And that IS hyperbole, as it is entirely untrue. While it is safer than lower alts for sure, it's not safe.
I have killed many, many hundreds of them at that altitude... in fact, the vast majority of my 233 B-29 kills had taken place at that altitude or even much higher. Many other players have done similar, including shooting down quite a number of my own buffs over the strats.

It's difficult, it's a challenge, but it's definitely doable.
However, the Mossie has much better cards than the other bombers, as the window of opportunity for the would-be interceptor to identify the threat and get into position for a successful intercept is so very small.