Unperk the Mosquito Mk. XVI

[Vinkman]

It takes a (coalt) 109K at mil power almost three times as long to catch up with a Mossie at 30k than with a Ki-67, while the Mossie covers 40% more distance than the Ki.

I dissagree. you have to climb over the Ki-67 beacuse he will shoot you. Climbing over him takes forever at that alt. you can climb right up behind a mossie because he is helpless, and there is no need to make high speed passes that cause you to have to re-aquire and reclimb, and reposition, etc,...

[GhostCDB]

I have only died in a Mossie 16 by hitting a tree at the edge of a runway after re-arming and not paying attention close enough.

Mossie 16 is uber

[Lusche]

I dissagree. you have to climb over the Ki-67 beacuse he will shoot you. Climbing over him takes forever at that alt.

Against that plane at that altitude: Wrong tactic... unless you are in a 163.

[Vinkman]

Against that plane at that altitude: Wrong tactic... unless you are in a 163.

That 20mm in the back can be killer if you are creeping up from behind. If not over the top attack, what do you suggest?

[MrGeezer]

PLEASE:  Leave the perk on the Mossie 16 just as it is.

[Karnak]

That 20mm in the back can be killer if you are creeping up from behind. If not over the top attack, what do you suggest?

Belly.  Tail guns and waist guns don't traverse down very well.  Direct six also keeps you out of the 20mm if the Ki-67 driver doesn't change heading.

[Lusche]

That 20mm in the back can be killer if you are creeping up from behind.

Not if you stay below. The 20mm is in the top turret and can't depress below level.

At lower altitudes I do indeed the standard 1-2 oclock high attack. At 30k however, this could indeed take too much time to setup, and there's a much bigger danger of getting into the top turrets field of fire at that altitude as your maneuverability is significantly decrease. And with the Ki the #1 rule is... avoid the top turret!
So if I don't have the time to setup up a high frontal attack (assuming not flying a Komet), I stay below and several hundred feet to one side, speeding up then doing a low 2-4 oclock shallow zoom attack. If done correctly, only the side mounted single 12.7mm can shoot at you. And unlike most US buffs, the Ki gunner has to be somewhat cautious at spending his ammo, he hasn't exactly much of it.

[Rich46yo]

There are ways to get the top turret into play even when the enemy thinks its safe. You can roll the bomber, do a auto speed as the fighter is doing the belly crawl. I like hitting the auto speed button AND rolling the Bomber while sitting in the rear dual 0.50 position. OK even if you avoid the 20mm's chances are you'll be looking at a P47s worth of 0.50s. This is just a dangerous Bomber to attack and the only safe way is to come down on top of it the way Lusche has mastered. And very few are left that can do it like that.

And it takes time to set it up cause the 67 is fast and a smart pilot will alter course, speeds and mess with you. I think Ill fly the 67 tonight just cause were talking about it. Its a great raider bomber.

[Vinkman]

Not if you stay below. The 20mm is in the top turret and can't depress below level.

At lower altitudes I do indeed the standard 1-2 oclock high attack. At 30k however, this could indeed take too much time to setup, and there's a much bigger danger of getting into the top turrets field of fire at that altitude as your maneuverability is significantly decrease. And with the Ki the #1 rule is... avoid the top turret!
So if I don't have the time to setup up a high frontal attack (assuming not flying a Komet), I stay below and several hundred feet to one side, speeding up then doing a low 2-4 oclock shallow zoom attack. If done correctly, only the side mounted single 12.7mm can shoot at you. And unlike most US buffs, the Ki gunner has to be somewhat cautious at spending his ammo, he hasn't exactly much of it.

Ah thanks Lusche. All this time I've benn afraid of the tail 20mm. Nice to know there isn't one.  

Also i find when trying to run them down that Havermyr can get those things to climb over 36K. So even if he starts at 25K the minute he sees you he starts climbing. Very tough to get up there even in a K4. I've seen him take B-17s up there in a similar fashion.  He also employs all the tricks that Rich46yo explains above.

Pure death trying to attack 36K B-17s. For me anyway.  

[Tank-Ace]

Its the G4M Betty that has the 20mm tail turret. However the damn thing catches fire if you glare at it, so....

[Lusche]

Also i find when trying to run them down that Havermyr can get those things to climb over 36K. So even if he starts at 25K the minute he sees you he starts climbing. Very tough to get up there even in a K4. I've seen him take B-17s up there in a similar fashion.  He also employs all the tricks that Rich46yo explains above.

He really makes you work for your kills, that's for sure. 

[lunatic1]

4-5 sectors won't catch a Mossie by any piston fighter in the game.

never said i chased mossie's 30'000 feet..i said i chased bombers--lanc's--b-26's b-25's b-24's--never b29-s at all..cept 1 time i did.but they were already 30'000 ft.and could not catch them..i was in a 190-a8

[Karnak]

never said i chased mossie's 30'000 feet..i said i chased bombers--lanc's--b-26's b-25's b-24's--never b29-s at all..cept 1 time i did.but they were already 30'000 ft.and could not catch them..i was in a 190-a8

Anybody who gets Lancs to 30,000ft has way too much time on their hands. 

[Lusche]

Anybody who gets Lancs to 30,000ft has way too much time on their hands. 

Actually with bombs still onboard he would be performing a miracle...




 

[Karnak]

Actually with bombs still onboard he would be performing a miracle...

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Imagine a Lancaster with the same Merlins as the Mosquito Mk XVI has.....