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Offline Chalenge

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Arado Ar-234
« on: February 16, 2014, 04:23:54 PM »
Found this video (no sound) on youtube. I don't see any guns mounted on this plane though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2N4HGJus4
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 07:56:23 PM »
I see he didnt have enough perks for drones.  ;)   Must be a specific model that had the guns?
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 08:36:42 PM »
Quote from: Shifty on February 16, 2014, 07:56:23 PM
I see he didnt have enough perks for drones.  ;)   Must be a specific model that had the guns?
No, they were originally planned to have guns, but no operational Ar234 carried them.

Hopefully they are removed when the Ar234 is updated.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2014, 09:11:31 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 16, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
No, they were originally planned to have guns, but no operational Ar234 carried them.

Hopefully they are removed when the Ar234 is updated.

I don't believe that's been established but it seems likely that many or most did not have the guns mounted.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2014, 09:19:01 PM »
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2014, 09:23:00 PM »
Quote from: FLS on February 16, 2014, 09:11:31 PM
I don't believe that's been established but it seems likely that many or most did not have the guns mounted.

I believe you are ignoring the pilot that actually flew the Arado that also stated none of them ever had guns. I would think that carries more weight than anything you can research through the Internet.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2014, 11:35:24 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on February 16, 2014, 09:23:00 PM
I believe you are ignoring the pilot that actually flew the Arado that also stated none of them ever had guns. I would think that carries more weight than anything you can research through the Internet.

I'm not ignoring the ferry pilot or any other evidence that has been posted.
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Offline GScholz

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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 02:20:19 AM »
Proving a negative is impossible, so naturally the burden of proof lies with proving they had guns operationally.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 02:26:08 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on February 17, 2014, 02:20:19 AM
Proving a negative is impossible, so naturally the burden of proof lies with proving they had guns operationally.

The burden of proof lies with the person requesting a change in Aces High.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 02:30:08 AM »
Well, I don't recall anyone ever talking about ferry pilots until FLS brought it up.

Lyric has done quite a bit of research on this aircraft including contacting the only living Luftwaffe pilot that actually flew it in the war (I believe that's the case). So far the consensus is that the aircraft never had guns (the B model) and since it is the only aircraft to have been flown in combat there was never a combat aircraft that had guns. Therefore the guns, as far as I care, should be removed when the aircraft is updated. It should be a very fast jet-powered mosquito type, but not armed with guns.

I listened to the US pilot that flew the airplane in the states and his comments indicate that the airplane is wonderful to fly, as is the HTC version. I have no issues with the way it is modeled, except I think the guns are fantasy items and should be removed.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 02:54:58 AM »
Quote from: FLS on February 17, 2014, 02:26:08 AM
The burden of proof lies with the person requesting a change in Aces High.

This is a clear case of evidence of absence. Some people have done significant research into the 234 and not found evidence of guns in operational use. That in itself is "evidence of absence". While a negative can never be proven all the evidence suggests it and no evidence contradicts it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 04:21:19 AM »
Ive never once used the guns in that thing and never once been shot down in it.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 04:40:20 AM »
Quote from: Rich46yo on February 17, 2014, 04:21:19 AM
Ive never once used the guns in that thing and never once been shot down in it.

I actually did and I find them good addition, I scared the hell of the Me-163 that tried to hunt my Ardo, made him break the attack twice and than RTB.

So maybe they aren't effective but they can help in really bad situations especially when the only way to actually intercept it is from dead 6. Even 262s straggle to catch it.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 06:53:25 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on February 16, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
No, they were originally planned to have guns, but no operational Ar234 carried them.

Hopefully they are removed when the Ar234 is updated.
I belive Erich Sommer had forward firing gunpods installed on his arado. No info about the rear guns though.
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Re: Arado Ar-234
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 07:16:40 AM »
Only on experimental night-fighters.
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