Score\Stats\Rank vs. Skill Misperception‎s

[captain1ma]

how to judge a fight:

on 200: good fight--- decent guy, good fight.
on 200: <salute> your name---great fight, respectful pilot with decent skills
on 200: you're a effing cheater--- Great fight, the other guy has decent skills, but you're way better!
on 200: you're a effing cheater, on PM's: your such a tardling POS, i cant believe..blah blah blah---- you are a L33t player and deserve all the respect that people give you!


as for score? -- who really cares about it? and if they do, they should probably see a doctor, it should be all about fun!

[Zoney]

Challenge aside Gman, my point here was that score does not reflect skill.

Zoney may have an incredible K/D and mine might suck… bout could Zoney beat me 1 v 1? You could compare whatever stats you want but it will never reflect skill level.

Sorry for using you as an example Zoney, your names just been in this thread a lot 

Not a problem mate    I have no doubt you would not be challenged by me except possibly if were quite high, at least up there I might give you a run for your money.  I suffer from no illusions about what I am capable of.  I really enjoy playing Aces High and how I play reflects what I enjoy most abut the game.  The hunt, the interception, the engagement and also the egress.  On that note, I submit that score reflects what each player enjoys or values about his experience here.

BluBerry is my friend

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[BluBerry]

I'm not saying, "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" but I used to wing with him a fair bit, and my response to your question would be 'At what alt?'

Wiley.

When I said it, I was thinking classic DA, 3k or what have you. 20K and up I know he would take home the W 

[Gman]

Arlo, my analysis of that is you would absolutely be on my "to look out for" list.  Those are the type of stats I was talking about with the "type 3" pilot, the guy would has not only a high k/d, but a high k/t as well.  The accuracy is in the double digits too, my third "clue" I look for.   That skill doesn't go anywhere either IMO, it may get a little rusty, or be put to bed in favor of some new way of doing things, but anyone who can put up a 5 (6 for Bluberry) in K/D and a 5 or 6 in kills/hour, in my book is a very real threat in the MA environment, and deserves special attention when they are flying in my AO.  Again, this is all just my opinion, and I realize, accept, and enjoy seeing other points of view regarding this topic, as it is one of the most interesting to me, and oft not discussed.

[Gman]

Zoney, that's a great post, and illustrates why I like my method regarding stats analysis.  Looking at your stats, to me, verifies what I assumed was your mindset, something you just confirmed with that post.   Your final point hits the nail right on the head, and again, is part and parcel to my initial point, which is that based on how I quickly analyze what I see on the stats with the 2 or 3 I look at, it usually, not always, but usually, accurately tells me what type of a pilot I'm looking at, and where they are most dangerous.  You example is a perfect one.

[Lusche]

So then should MA skill and DA skill be judged as separate things?

I wouldn't go that far. It's just that in the DA (not talking about the DA lake though) a much more limited subset of skills is being used, most notably aerobatics and (to a somehwat lesser extend) gunnery - but those are being tested/utilized/trained to the extreme. DA (like TA) can help very much in making you a good pilot in the narrow sense. To become a good MA killer (excuse the exaggeration), it's very helpfull to add some more skills to your resume...

[Gman]

I think a good example of the difference between 1v1/dueling and the MA is the following, at least in my case:

If we were to bet money Bluberry, that starting right now for a month that I would have a higher k/d and k/t next tour in the MA than you, I would take that bet in an instant, and be confident I would would win.  If however the bet was I had to fight you 1v1 in a duel for the same amount of money, the odds are I wouldn't even TAKE the bet, much less expect to have good odds on winning it.  Such is the nature of how I think about the two types of flying in this game.  Some of the reasons are what Lusche previously just posted.  There are many others as well.

Being a good hunter in the MA, and maintaining good SA, aided by solid, not exceptional, but just solid ACM will make a pilot far more  likely to win bet number one, than a pilot with solid ACM, aided by good SA and hunting ability to win bet number two.

[BluBerry]

Great point Gman.

I would take the bet for the 1 on 1, but i wouldn't bet at all on beating you in k/d or k/t, yet both are skills, but different sets. The way you put that really cleared it up for me. 

[Wiley]

To become a good MA killer (excuse the exaggeration), it's very helpfull to add some more skills to your resume...

People use different methods to improve their chances in the MA as well.  Some fly in a group, some fly with a more or less dedicated wingman, some that have the time and patience use altitude to limit the number of people who can attack them.

Then there are the freaks that have the SA to dive into 5 and turnfight and give them a run or prevail.

Wiley.

[Stampf]

I think a good example of the difference between 1v1/dueling and the MA is the following, at least in my case:

If we were to bet money Bluberry, that starting right now for a month that I would have a higher k/d and k/t next tour in the MA than you, I would take that bet in an instant, and be confident I would would win.  If however the bet was I had to fight you 1v1 in a duel for the same amount of money, the odds are I wouldn't even TAKE the bet, much less expect to have good odds on winning it.  Such is the nature of how I think about the two types of flying in this game.  Some of the reasons are what Lusche previously just posted.  There are many others as well.

Perfect example right there.

I would never duel Ink 1 v 1 in my 190 vrs. his Ki.  He'd eat me alive.  BUT I have been able to 'Kill' him in the MA.  Two totally different situations.

[BluBerry]

Perfect example right there.

I would never duel Ink 1 v 1 in my 190 vrs. his Ki.  He'd eat me alive.  BUT I have been able to 'Kill' him in the MA.  Two totally different situations.

Ink makes me lift him into the KI, he is heavy 

[DmonSlyr]

Please read what I just posted. Because if you look at players such that in the "army of muppets" most of us are exceptional sticks and can woop most people in the MA and DA but most don't give a rats about dying and score. We just like to kill, kill, kill! And we turn back to help our squadies in need.

I'm ranked 18th fighter rank right now because I like to kill as many MFers as I can. If I'm lucky I land. I don't even try for score. It just happens that way..

[Delirium]

I must be strange...  of all the good fights I've had in the past I have never looked at the person's score afterwards.

It doesn't really matter to me either way. Recently someone tried recruiting me to their squadron and opened with, "Nice score." I didn't even realize what my score was up to that point.

[LCADolby]

Hmm, some interesting points.

This is a good read.

[Gman]

Good point Violator, and that's pretty much exactly what I've stated too.  I flew just like that forever, and had stats virtually identical to yours, double digit kills/hour, and usually around 2ish kills/death, because I just didn't care, it flew to kill everything in sight, sort of like Quake with wings.  It's a blast flying that way too, and the only reason I switched things up was just for a challenge to try something new, I prefer to fight just to fight as well.  I don't think I've dropped a bomb in 5 years, maybe longer.