Score\Stats\Rank vs. Skill Misperception‎s

[Gman]

Dolby, I was just about to post that this thread is a good example of how things can stay on the rails here.  I hope I didn't just jinx it.

Del - it's different strokes, that's all.  I'm the opposite, if somebody kills me with either a good shot or in a good fight, the first thing I do is look him up if I don't already know him.

[Lusche]

I must be strange...  of all the good fights I've had in the past I have never looked at the person's score afterwards..

Ain't it great that Score Awareness is absolutely NOT required to have fun? 

[Arlo]

Arlo, my analysis of that is you would absolutely be on my "to look out for" list.  Those are the type of stats I was talking about with the "type 3" pilot, the guy would has not only a high k/d, but a high k/t as well.  The accuracy is in the double digits too, my third "clue" I look for.   That skill doesn't go anywhere either IMO

You're too kind. I'll never reach my high point of mediocrity again. 

[DmonSlyr]

Here are some of my stats throughout the years: You can really see what a "new" an "intermediate average" "decent" and "great" player fighter score looks like if you try for fighter rank.

This is the first tour I played Aces High 2 kills and 23 sorties This is what a typical new player looks like.
Statistics: tour 59
          Fighter    Bomber    Attack    Veh./Boat    Total
Kills           2   0   0   0   2
Assists   2   0   2   0   4
Sorties   23   9   7   3   42
 Landed   7   0   2   3   12
 Bailed   4   0   1   0   5
 Ditched   2   3   0   0   5
 Captured   4   1   0   0   5
 Deaths   6   5   4   0   15
 Discos   0   0   0   0   0
Time hh:mm:ss   02:39:41   00:15:15   00:49:23   00:00:59   03:45:18
Rank       3371   2452   2365   2808   3249

First time in the MA after the H2H got banned. 5 months later, tour 64
Statistics. Here is what the average-intermediate player score looks like.
         Fighter    Bomber    Attack    Veh./Boat    Total
Kills         319   0   1   3   323
Assists   64   0   0   1   65
Sorties   492   2   2   19   515
 Landed   115   1   2   6   124
 Bailed   16   0   0   0   16
 Ditched   35   0   0   9   44
 Captured   19   0   0   1   20
 Deaths   297   1   0   3   301
 Discos   10   0   0   0   10
Time hh:mm:ss   43:28:38   00:00:29   00:24:37   00:41:29   44:35:13
Rank       534   2733   2284   1800   1690

Last Month since I have returned tour 166: here is what a decent player with a good general understanding of the MA score will look like. This is when I returned after 4 years of being absent.

Kills          473   0   4   0   477
Assists   81   0   1   0   82
Sorties   270   0   6   0   276
 Landed   74   0   2   0   76
 Bailed   12   0   1   0   13
 Ditched   7   0   0   0   7
 Captured   18   0   1   0   19
 Deaths   157   0   2   0   159
 Discos   2   0   0   0   2
Time hh:mm:ss   48:26:04   00:00:00   00:40:57   00:00:00   49:07:01
Rank     26   2292   1444   2233   1606

Tour 82 when I was Dmonslyr 2nd best tour   This is when I was at my "prime" playing hard and pwning in the MA. This is what a typical "great" MA player fighter score would look like.
Statistics
            Fighter    Bomber    Attack    Veh./Boat    Total
Kills          425   0   0   0   425
Assists   76   0   0   0   76
Sorties   83   0   0   0   83
 Landed   38   0   0   0   38
 Bailed   4   0   0   0   4
 Ditched   3   0   0   0   3
 Captured   12   0   0   0   12
 Deaths   26   0   0   0   26
 Discos   0   0   0   0   0
Time hh:mm:ss   23:30:55   00:00:00   00:00:00   00:00:00   23:30:55
Rank         2   4985   3448   4934   3592

Also here, Tour 78
Statistics
           Fighter    Bomber    Attack    Veh./Boat    Total
Kills         1001   0   5   0   1006
Assists   167   0   2   0   169
Sorties   301   0   16   0   317
 Landed   107   0   1   0   108
 Bailed   32   0   1   0   33
 Ditched   7   0   2   0   9
 Captured   34   0   3   0   37
 Deaths   120   0   9   0   129
 Discos   1   0   0   0   1
Time hh:mm:ss   65:40:21   00:00:00   00:55:44   00:00:00   66:36:05
Rank           2   4250   2405   4303   2879

you can use these to kind of measure score performance in players,

but like I said, you should play at least 5 years before you can make accusations about the correlation between a players score and their true skill level.


 

[Debrody]

Ain't it great that Score Awareness is absolutely NOT required to have fun? 

[Arlo]

But, as Slade illustrated, do you ever:

Up a plane  then decide not to take off ending the flight immediately?
(wrong plane, wrong base, base being vulched, etc.)

Bail or ditch without any damage?
(not wanting to fly all the way back to base. Also empty fuel, deliveries [UPS, pizza...], spouse ACK etc.)

Have to stay in tower?
(phone calls, house chores, spouse ACK and forgot was playing as other life events happen)

For some, that describes life.  

[Tinkles]

But, as Slade illustrated, do you ever:

Up a plane  then decide not to take off ending the flight immediately?
(wrong plane, wrong base, base being vulched, etc.)

Bail or ditch without any damage?
(not wanting to fly all the way back to base. Also empty fuel, deliveries [UPS, pizza...], spouse ACK etc.)

Have to stay in tower?
(phone calls, house chores, spouse ACK and forgot was playing as other life events happen)

For some, that describes life.  

Yup

Yup

Yup


 

[Scca]

All this talk about skill, and no one can really define it.  How you define skill, isn't they way I may define skill...

Examples:
Being #1 in the AH ranking system is a skill.  The skill being, you are good a playing for rank. 
Having a superb K/D is a skill.  The skill being you are good at playing for K/D...
Being good in the DA is a skill.  The skill being you are good at dueling...  (are you starting to see a pattern)?

We all determine what skill means to us.  The problem comes when we try to impose OUR meaning of skill on someone else and they don't share your vision. 

Reflect on that one for a little bit....

[Gman]

It is very subjective Scca, that is something I think we all would agree about.  That's part of what makes it so interesting. 

[ink]

Perfect example right there.

I would never duel Ink 1 v 1 in my 190 vrs. his Ki.  He'd eat me alive.  BUT I have been able to 'Kill' him in the MA.  Two totally different situations.

 

always enjoy dieing to you



to me Aces High is all about aerial combat....obviously I know that there are other aspects but I pay zero attention to those, never have never will....I do not care what someones "score" "rank" is....


I judge a person on his attitude and word not his "skill" set.....

I don't care if you are one of the best....or the worst
....if you are a pompous bellybutton than.... thats how I treat you.

[Stampf]

always enjoy dieing to you



to me Aces High is all about aerial combat....obviously I know that there are other aspects but I pay zero attention to those, never have never will....I do not care what someones "score" "rank" is....


I judge a person on his attitude and word not his "skill" set.....

I don't care if you are one of the best....or the worst
....if you are a pompous bellybutton than.... thats how I treat you.

And I always enjoy wrestling my long dosed dog or wallowing pig, around after that blasted Ki.  Always a worthy opponent, always


Ja,...'Character' < that's an overlooked skill set I would like to see some folks improve on.

[Gman]

As interesting as stats and examining skills in AH is, I'll also take a great attitude over anything as well. 

Ink is a great guy so far as attitude, I agree, the few times I've had fights with him, I have all 5 on film, when I've won, he's been complementary, and when I've lost, he's been gracious, and once when I asked about a particular bit of ACM in the fight, he quickly answered, and offered to go to the DA to test it out. 

Yet again however, try not to laugh, but I believe that Ink's stats even show that he's the type of pilot that isn't too concerned about score, and this typically means a "nice guy" attitude, as this type of pilot doesn't get worked up over dying - at all.  A really high kill/time = furballer that spends much time in the weeds or at least sub 10k in multi con fights, and a lower k/d - still decent mind you, just a bit lower - shows that this type of pilot doesn't give a rip about dying much less landing.  I've seen Ink auger just because he's out of ammo and wants to re up more quickly to get into the fight more.  Hah!  Great stuff.


I will finish my part of this thread by saying that nothing makes a new pilots day more than being complemented by a good pilot about something they do in game - heck, even old pilots like to hear praise.  So, next time you're in a good fight, see a green or red guy make a great shot, sound off about it, and let him and others in the area either on Green channel or even 200 know about it.  If this game had more compliments from all of us, it would go a long way to improving overall morale in the MA, and would perhaps even increase customer retention, particularly with newer/low time pilots.

Adios everyone.

[BaldEagl]

Arlo, my analysis of that is you would absolutely be on my "to look out for" list.  Those are the type of stats I was talking about with the "type 3" pilot, the guy would has not only a high k/d, but a high k/t as well.  The accuracy is in the double digits too, my third "clue" I look for.   That skill doesn't go anywhere either IMO, it may get a little rusty, or be put to bed in favor of some new way of doing things, but anyone who can put up a 5 (6 for Bluberry) in K/D and a 5 or 6 in kills/hour, in my book is a very real threat in the MA environment, and deserves special attention when they are flying in my AO.  Again, this is all just my opinion, and I realize, accept, and enjoy seeing other points of view regarding this topic, as it is one of the most interesting to me, and oft not discussed.

So, a few years ago I would have been on your people to watch out for list (3-5 k/d, 4-6 k/t, 10-14%) but today I'm an utter noob (<1 k/d, 1-2 k/t, 9-12%)?  The only difference is in how many opponents I take on at once.  Lately I get a great deal of enjoyment out of defensive flying.  In fact I found myself doing that in the dueling tournament when I should have been more aggressive.

Looking at one set of stats in itself wouldn't have told you a thing.  That's my point.

Also, the DA and the MA are very different skill sets.  I've outflown and killed some of the games best in the MA but rarely do so in the DA.  The merge is far more important in the DA and even those who are good at it are rarely as aggressive with it in the MA. Also I don't think people generally fly as far to the edge in the MA as they do in the DA, generally preferring an energy fighting style to the cage match that is the DA.  As such you can be more lackadaisical in the MA with your flaps and throttle useage than when there's no egress, the only outcome being do or die, in the DA.

[Bruv119]

I've flown both areas and been successful at both,  knocking most stats out of the park and I still get accused of being a cheat by players who should know better everytime I login.

Unfortunately I feel that AH suffers from this mish mash of enthusiasts, simmers and gamers.  Who all play for very different reasons but NOBODY likes getting killed quicker than a 2 weeker.   Even some of the guys that preach about the fight don't like it when it is put on them but they wouldn't be the good sticks they are if they did enjoy being killed.

The fighter rank top 20 does however display guys that I would think know enough to provide a challenging encounter and worthwhile opponent so in that respect I would say it does mean SOMETHING.   But mostly to do with the fact that they have been able to log enough time in game to get those kills where other better pilots haven't.

[Changeup]

Stats tell everything about the style of the said person. Not the single values, but the way they relate to teach other.

Not entirely true.  You're probably dealing with someone that knows what they're doing when they shoot above a .09 hit percentage.  The dead giveaway of a score monkey is when they have a K/D of 12 and their hit % is .03, lol.

(I made the cutoff .03 because Dodger shoots a .031)