Score\Stats\Rank vs. Skill Misperception‎s

[Kingpin]

For the most part, yes. The minor exception being GV, while not counting for kills they still count for hit%. Found that out long ago while having to kill LVT's in the Hurri I.

OK, well that is probably why my fighter hit % isn't where I think it should be, despite knowing my gunnery has improved.

I shoot at whatever needs to be shot, regardless of what "mode" I am flying in.  I'll mark GVs by firing into trees, help deack towns or shoot buildings down if I am in the area and others are asking for help, especially if there are no air cons around.  Clearly that hurts your score, though.  

Maybe I should start saying: "No, sorry guys, I'm in fighter mode and I'm really trying to boost my hit percentage.  I can't help deack.  I can't mark that Tiger for you.  I can't strafe down the VH.  I can't shoot the troops.  Because my hit percentage will suffer."    I'll never do that.  I'd rather be a team player.

Just another reason why flying for score makes no sense in my book.

Does shooting airplanes in Attack mode hurt your hit% as well?

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Ryno

[Lusche]

Does shooting airplanes in Attack mode hurt your hit% as well?

No. the attack mode is your "universal" mode, everything counts for your score in one way or another.
Of course, that also means you have to have a much higher hit% in attack mode to get the same sub-rank for that category than you have to do in fighter mode. 

[BnZs]

I am the exact opposite...

I put all my planes in fighter mode....

 I haven't flown out side fighter mode except for I think twice....in the last 4 years or so.

Heh, but I`ve always performed better when for some reason I don`t give a fart-It became a superstition with me, where I felt like on "attack" sorties I`d be a killing machine but if I clicked fighter in the same plane I`d be lucky to get off the runway. Kind of like a man can come to believe it won`t rain unless he leaves the car windows down...

[Randy1]

... I no longer piloted lower-performance aircraft ...

- oldman

I went to the P38 this tour just for that very reason.  Not that the 38 is a low performance plane but it requires attention to ACM.  That and it sure attracts a lot of attention.  Now I am going back to the P47 and use what I have learned with the P38.

[ARSNishi]

I've brought this up before, But I would still love to see some sort of ENY modifier added to the fighter score Calculation.  Perhaps award more kill points for flying high ENY planes....  thoughts?

Nishizwa

[Scca]

Here is proof that rank <> ability.  In January, 529 people ranked better than DR7 in vehicles (I was one of them)...   

[ARSNishi]

Here is proof that rank <> ability.  In January, 529 people ranked better than DR7 in vehicles (I was one of them)...   

I seriously doubt this Would be the case if vehicles had a separate attack category like fighters do. 

Nishizwa

[MrGeezer]

Of course the K/D will improve, but the average AH pilot will still hardly be able to get to a k/d like 10/1. He still would make to much errors: Mess up his attack, misjudge his E, getting surprised by even higher cons, not checking his 6 often enough and being target fixated, miss the opportunity to get out while he can... so many opportunities to fail.

With so many "timid" BnZ pilots in the arena, you'd expect a lot more people reaching 10-1 k/d than the usually less than 1% actually achieving it - if it realyl wasn't hard at all.

As of this moment in time, I have a fighter score K/D tatio of 10 to 0.   No fighter deaths.   

It STILL doesn't indicate jack-squat because I am far less than average in a fighter.  And thats after being in Air Warrior (circa 1994-ish) until now.  If I played for score it wouldn't be any fun.  Really?  I'm horrible in fighters -- and make no attempt to hide it.

ROX

[Lusche]

Meet Mr. Average, LWTour 168 

Median fighter scores of all pilots with at least 10 fighter sorties in tour 168:

K/(D+1): 0.60
K/S: 0.40
K/H: 2.56
Hit%: 3.71
Kill Points: 2738 (that's 24 kills).

[BnZs]

Something is wrong here. The average subscriber is only flying enough to get 24 kills in fighter??????????

Meet Mr. Average, LWTour 168 

Median fighter scores of all pilots with at least 10 fighter sorties in tour 168:

K/(D+1): 0.60
K/S: 0.40
K/H: 2.56
Hit%: 3.71
Kill Points: 2738 (that's 24 kills).

[Lusche]

Something is wrong here. The average subscriber is only flying enough to get 24 kills in fighter??????????

First I have to state that I didn't say anything about subscribers directly, simply because I can't tell who's a subscriber or not. I simply took all pilots with at least 10 fighter mode sorties for. This distinction is a bit of nitpicking, but still important.

And yes, the median number of kills is that low. The average would be somewhat higher, because a small number of 'top pilots' is playing much more than the rest and getting a disproportional number of kills. Furthermore, if you look at the median fighter kills/hour of 2.56, that 24 kills already take over 9 hours of flight time. And flying fighters (in fighter mode) is only a part of the things you can do in this game. Most folks in here don't spend the insane amount of time in AH the relatively few high profile players do.

[Latrobe]

And yes, the median number of kills is that low. The average would be somewhat higher, because a small number of 'top pilots' is playing much more than the rest and getting a disproportional number of kills.

I'm interested as to just how disproportional that number is. Where is the line separating the "top pilots" from the "average pilots"? Is there only 10 or 20 "top pilots" with a butt load of kills, and then the other 400 or so pilots quickly drops off to average numbers?

[Lusche]

I'm interested as to just how disproportional that number is. Where is the line separating the "top pilots" from the "average pilots"? Is there only 10 or 20 "top pilots" with a butt load of kills, and then the other 400 or so pilots quickly drops off to average numbers?

Well, these is the distribution of absolute numbers of kills in fighter modes for all pilots in last tour (168) who had been already around two tours before (this way I eliminated the two weekers)



For this group, the median is 17 kills, 30 kills if you apply the "minimum 10 fighter sorties" I also applied in my earlier example to all MA pilots of tour 168. In contrast, the average is 48. As you can see, those top pilots (in terms of # of kills) are greatly skewing the average.

10 percent of the 'regular' pilots had 50% of all kills in fighter mode

[Debrody]

10 percent of the 'regular' pilots had 50% of all kills in fighter mode

Surprising, how large the dispersion is. Always thought that a K/D of 2 and a hit% of 10 is upper medicore, possibly because i have met the people who kill a lot (ergo fly a lot, possibly knowing more about air combat) much more frequently. So the average contact in the MA is far from meeting the statistical median, isnt it?

[Lusche]

So the average contact in the MA is far from meeting the statistical median, isnt it?

Most probably, but of course that is also being influenced by the kind of engagements you fly. I can imagine that someone fighting in classic furballs mostly has a higher share of engagements with "vets" than someone like me mainly trying to bust basegrab missions with their high % of lemmings.
But that's just a thought. Maybe I can analyse my own kills & deaths in regard to this theory later today.

Something I also could do would be having a quick look at the correlation between hours/tour and stats for all players. That could help answering your question too - what are the stats of the players you are most likely to encounter?