Bring back F3 for the IL2.

[Rich46yo]

In the Il-2, the F3 view is next to useless for killing GVs. For spotting them yes, it's good for that.

I think what killed it's f3 view was complaints from the fighter jocks gaming the game. Suddenly, an expected easy target, was turning back into them with teeth, and it was shooting them in the face. That Il-2 should have (in their opinion, and does now) lost track of them but no, bam, back in the tower. Oh how humiliating!

 

If you let that flying sewer cover "turn" back on you with its teeth and face shoot you then shame on you. I found them very easy to shoot down in a fighter, and i such in fighters, but I knew IL2s. They were easy to beat if you had 2 mins of patience. Now they arent even worth taking up if there are any fighters around.

[Ack-Ack]

but the rearview makes it more of a coffin rather than a fighter.

There is one problem with your statement.  The IL2 wasn't, nor designed to be a fighter and that's what it was being used for by a lot of players to the point it did started to impact game play.  Removing F3 mode put the IL2 in the role it was used in, as a ground attack plane and not some point defense fighter.

ack-ack

[Tinkles]

There is one problem with your statement.  The IL2 wasn't, nor designed to be a fighter and that's what it was being used for by a lot of players to the point it did started to impact game play.  Removing F3 mode put the IL2 in the role it was used in, as a ground attack plane and not some point defense fighter.

ack-ack

I understand that.  I don't think that the il-2 should have an F3 mode because it only has 1 gunner. I'm just saying that when you try to 'check your 6' the 'normal way' (while flying) you can't see anything, thus my 'coffin' reference.

I remember a p51 was diving on me while I was shooting at tanks, he tried shooting at me Head-On, and lost. 4 37mm rounds hit him and he lost both of his wings and dove underneath me and died.  Point being, if I could do that while in 'F1' position, then I can only imagine what others could do in F3 mode if they knew how to aim.  

Again, I agree that the Il-2 shouldn't have F3 mode because it doesn't have enough gunners/people in the plane to warrant that view.  However, I think heavy bombers like B17s, B24s, etc should have it, because they had multiple gunners in various positions around the bomber, which in my opinion makes it OK for them to have the F3, F4 views.  

Because it is simulating multiple pairs of eyes looking around the bomber, whereas the Il2 didn't have enough people to do that. Making it 'unworthy' of having the F3/F4 views.

 

[bustr]

TrakIR 2-axis mode uses your hps saved head postions. You can setup a reasonable 6 view that way. Along with other views locked into positive positions for you to see out of the IL2 cockpit. Occasionally popping into the gunners position doesn't hurt. You have to furball like being in any bird cage canopy restricted ride. And 2-axis TrackIR mode effectively takes advantage of our saved views. The only time I get bounced is when I'm in my gun run on a tank, which is to be expected. If I'm furballing, I have all the views needed to compete. Using 2-axis mode locks the default forward view in place so aiming isn't affected by up\down or side to side head movements. Remember you don't have a collimating reflector sight for the pilot.

You can set a very effective 6 view over your shoulder and through the opening in the bulkhead past the rear gunner. If you move your head forward and high up, then all the way out to the side, you get great side views. Same thing with rear quarter and back up views but, you need to move your head forward as far as you can get. Head far forward and up is the key. Head far forward then back 6 is how you get a good 6 view through the bulkhead opening. The secret to the views, is having your head almost into the windscreen as your focus position. Helps even with your default head view pushing it forward a bit.

Then for a great instantaneous turn, pop a notch of flaps just after you enter the turn. And the IL2 does a good popup, slow down and turn if you get the nose down and over 200. I've had many fighters going too fast turning with me caught by that and my 37mm. As fester said once, F3 is for weenies in an Il2. He just used his views and furballed with it.

[ReVo]

TrakIR 2-axis mode uses your hps saved head postions. You can setup a reasonable 6 view that way. Along with other views locked into positive positions for you to see out of the IL2 cockpit. Occasionally popping into the gunners position doesn't hurt. You have to furball like being in any bird cage canopy restricted ride. And 2-axis TrackIR mode effectively takes advantage of our saved views. The only time I get bounced is when I'm in my gun run on a tank, which is to be expected. If I'm furballing, I have all the views needed to compete. Using 2-axis mode locks the default forward view in place so aiming isn't affected by up\down or side to side head movements. Remember you don't have a collimating reflector sight for the pilot.

You can set a very effective 6 view over your shoulder and through the opening in the bulkhead past the rear gunner. If you move your head forward and high up, then all the way out to the side, you get great side views. Same thing with rear quarter and back up views but, you need to move your head forward as far as you can get. Head far forward and up is the key. Head far forward then back 6 is how you get a good 6 view through the bulkhead opening. The secret to the views, is having your head almost into the windscreen as your focus position. Helps even with your default head view pushing it forward a bit.

Then for a great instantaneous turn, pop a notch of flaps just after you enter the turn. And the IL2 does a good popup, slow down and turn if you get the nose down and over 200. I've had many fighters going too fast turning with me caught by that and my 37mm. As fester said once, F3 is for weenies in an Il2. He just used his views and furballed with it.

tl;dr: IL2 is AMAZING if you spend 200 bucks on trackIR!

[bustr]

And the same views I'm mouse panning through visa my TrackIR in 2-axis mode, are the saved views using a hat switch will bring up.

Naturalpoint started out making head tracking to move your mouse. Not game devices.

I suppose whining at Hitech takes less nads and effort than adapting and overcoming in a kiddy game.

[The Fugitive]

There is no reason why every other attacker/medium Bomber with a rear gunner should have F3 and the IL2 shouldnt. Notice I didnt mention the word Destroyer?

It was a lame decision to appease the GV crowd who couldnt seem to comprehend why they were getting shot to pieces by AIRPLANES while attacking an AIRBASE.

Various cunning stratagems were used to strong arm AH to make the fate full decision, "when it was discovered crying "take it away or I quit" wasnt working". One of them being finger pointing at ONE player, whom I wont name, who somehow was able to kill hundreds of fools a month in fighters by shooting them while in F3. The fighter pilots never themselves asking why in Hell they allowed themselves to get in front of a wallowing bath tubs 47mm cannons. I never got shot down by IL2s and Im not exactly a fighter expert.

Its time to take the game back from the Gv crowd. They have grown to powerful, now its "no icons"? Next it will be kill shooter for any airplane that touches a GV.

The Pilot of the IL2 ATTACKER/MEDIUM BOMBER has no rear view. It deserves to have its F3 back.

If GVs want protection from such aircraft then bring flak or stay in your little mud stained mountain village Hovels. Away from the MEN who fly true Birds of Prey.

Bring back the F3!

Any one want to guess which tour they took the F3 mode away from the IL2?



If the plane is so good a killer why hasn't the killing continued at the same pace with out F3?

This is only one players score sheet, but there were many who abused the "F3 mode" in a fighter role. Any plane that you can shoot from the pilots seat should NOT have F3 mode.

[ReVo]

And the same views I'm mouse panning through visa my TrackIR in 2-axis mode, are the saved views using a hat switch will bring up.

Naturalpoint started out making head tracking to move your mouse. Not game devices.

I suppose whining at Hitech takes less nads and effort than adapting and overcoming in a kiddy game.

I have adapted quite well. Who needs guns when you have bombs?

I understand your point though Bustr, we're the ones being unreasonable and selfish. Not the people who defend sitting on concrete, spawn camping, magical insta-repair supplies, VERY limited production unperked Wirblewinds and the fact that all tanks get laser rangefinders that make it easier for the tank to main-gun the IL2/JU87G2 then it is for the can opener to pop the tank. Oh and don't forget that tanks have no crew so that commander who is hanging halfway out of the hatch while using the laser rangefinder to gun down that IL2 can't even be strafed.

[lyric1]

It was a lame decision to appease the GV crowd who couldnt seem to comprehend why they were getting shot to pieces by AIRPLANES while attacking an AIRBASE.

This is not why F3 was removed due to GV guys howling.
It was 262 jockeys getting shot down by GHI that started that.

[lyric1]

The pilot of an IL2 has no rear view, because the pilots of IL2's had no rear view
Why not have the rear view in the IL (i.e the hatswitch rear view) default to the rear gunners position?

Single seat IL-2 would solve this and also give us an early war IL-2.

[Lucifer]

NO (of course !)

[bozon]

Single seat IL-2 would solve this and also give us an early war IL-2.

What about F3 for the 110 and 410? no? did not think so.
Il2 should not have it either.

For all other bombers F3 should put the plane in auto-level and disable guns and bomb release.
That would prevent its abuse with the A20 and TU2 dogfighting (potentially also b26 and B25).

[lyric1]

What about F3 for the 110 and 410? no? did not think so.
Il2 should not have it either.

For all other bombers F3 should put the plane in auto-level and disable guns and bomb release.
That would prevent its abuse with the A20 and TU2 dogfighting (potentially also b26 and B25).

Ahh I did not say anything at all about getting F3 mode back.
I said getting the single seat IL-2 would solve the problem of no rear view.

[Rich46yo]

What about F3 for the 110 and 410? no? did not think so.
Il2 should not have it either.

For all other bombers F3 should put the plane in auto-level and disable guns and bomb release.
That would prevent its abuse with the A20 and TU2 dogfighting (potentially also b26 and B25).

As I said I did not mention "Destroyers" that already have workable rear views that dont need F3.

C'mon? A20s, TY2s, 26s, and 25a in "dogfighting"? Like the IL2 with F3 they are all easy meat to fighters. Just dont HO the things.

[Reaper90]

No.