Bring back F3 for the IL2.

[Rich46yo]

There is no reason why every other attacker/medium Bomber with a rear gunner should have F3 and the IL2 shouldnt. Notice I didnt mention the word Destroyer?

It was a lame decision to appease the GV crowd who couldnt seem to comprehend why they were getting shot to pieces by AIRPLANES while attacking an AIRBASE.

Various cunning stratagems were used to strong arm AH to make the fate full decision, "when it was discovered crying "take it away or I quit" wasnt working". One of them being finger pointing at ONE player, whom I wont name, who somehow was able to kill hundreds of fools a month in fighters by shooting them while in F3. The fighter pilots never themselves asking why in Hell they allowed themselves to get in front of a wallowing bath tubs 47mm cannons. I never got shot down by IL2s and Im not exactly a fighter expert.

Its time to take the game back from the Gv crowd. They have grown to powerful, now its "no icons"? Next it will be kill shooter for any airplane that touches a GV.

The Pilot of the IL2 ATTACKER/MEDIUM BOMBER has no rear view. It deserves to have its F3 back.

If GVs want protection from such aircraft then bring flak or stay in your little mud stained mountain village Hovels. Away from the MEN who fly true Birds of Prey.

Bring back the F3!

[Tilt]

My view is that F3 is a step to far in giving the pilot increased SA. Even in bombers.

I would rather that the POV set up be enabled to use gunner views without the necessity to actually move to the gunner position.

I would go further to establish a proper attack category whereby anyone taking other "bombers" in attack mode were limited to single aircraft and F3 similarly removed.

[danny76]

The pilot of an IL2 has no rear view, because the pilots of IL2's had no rear view
Why not have the rear view in the IL (i.e the hatswitch rear view) default to the rear gunners position?

[BluBerry]

The pilot of an IL2 has no rear view, because the pilots of IL2's had no rear view
Why not have the rear view in the IL (i.e the hatswitch rear view) default to the rear gunners position?

If the rear view of the hatswitch defaulted to the rear gunner position then you would lose the ability to maneuver in combat every time you checked your six.

[danny76]

If the rear view of the hatswitch defaulted to the rear gunner position then you would lose the ability to maneuver in combat every time you checked your six.

Surely there is some way of allowing controls to function whilst in gunners position. I thought it'd be a reasonable compromise, rather than having f3.

[Scca]

It's all GHI's fault!!! 

[cobia38]

I would rather that the POV set up be enabled to use gunner views without the necessity to actually move to the gunner position.

 this,plus remove the ability to fire guns/drop bombs from F3





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[Rich46yo]

It's all GHI's fault!!! 

Names will not be mentioned. Stones will not be thrown.

[LCADolby]

No.

[Tinkles]

My view is that F3 is a step to far in giving the pilot increased SA. Even in bombers.

I would rather that the POV set up be enabled to use gunner views without the necessity to actually move to the gunner position.

I would go further to establish a proper attack category whereby anyone taking other "bombers" in attack mode were limited to single aircraft and F3 similarly removed.

In my opinion, that is what F3 and F4 do already.

[Gemini]

If players like the thread starter can't handle the sim style of AH they should find themselves an easier game to play

Single pilot planes should not have an external view mode

[Tinkles]

 this,plus remove the ability to fire guns/drop bombs from F3





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I remember when I first heard about players using the F3 mode and bombing tanks or ground targets.  I tried it myself, to me it's too hard than 'actually aiming' without any mode (except being in the cockpit of course).

I have no problem getting kills with the Il-2 bombs. However, I do understand the OP's wish, in a way.  Not so much for bombing or "the GV's are taking over", but the rearview makes it more of a coffin rather than a fighter. In order to look behind you, you need to switch to your gunner!  But that makes it more challenging and rewarding when you get a kill, and in my opinion, more fun


To the OP, just because there are more ideas from the GV perspective or for the GVs doesn't mean they are 'trying to take over'.   You do know that many who GV also fly?  Everyone here has the right to 'vote' on what they want in the game.  However, it is H.T.C.'s ultimate decision, meaning, if it isn't added in game, no reason to complain about it  


As for the wish.. no, -1.  Not enough gunners on the Il2 to justify F3 mode.

[Delirium]

If the rear view of the hatswitch defaulted to the rear gunner position then you would lose the ability to maneuver in combat every time you checked your six.

Yes, but if the 6 view allowed you to see through the gunner position without switching the player there, it might be a solution.

Not that I have anything invested in the F3 or non-F3 view.

[Easyscor]

In the Il-2, the F3 view is next to useless for killing GVs. For spotting them yes, it's good for that.

I think what killed it's f3 view was complaints from the fighter jocks gaming the game. Suddenly, an expected easy target, was turning back into them with teeth, and it was shooting them in the face. That Il-2 should have (in their opinion, and does now) lost track of them but no, bam, back in the tower. Oh how humiliating!

 

[Aspen]

I think it was more overshooting the IL and assuming they were safe climbing out.  The IL, knowing the likely path of the overshooter due to F3, would nose up and kill them before they escaped range.  Watched it happen many times and fell for it myself.

I GV a bunch and F3 in the IL would be ok with me.  I figure the pilot had a guy behind him telling him what was going on so F3 is a suitable compromise to represent that.