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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2014, 08:55:41 PM »
Oh I well know Triton never served but my question was directed towards him pointedly. It should not have been quoted by another.
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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2014, 09:02:30 PM »
As citizens of the U.S. they have that right given to them by God/Nature. It is so important it is the first right protected in our Bill of Rights. I took no other oath Semp. Sorry dude if you are not someone guaranteed that right. My country and my people are in enough trouble I can't help you defend your rights at the moment. Maybe after I help clean up my own mess I will help you with yours. U.S. citizens are historically known for doing that. :cheers: If I did not decipher that gibberish correctly please forgive me. My dad was the intel analyst. I was a grunt. I just assumed you meant U.S. and not us.

see hlbly, i came to this country legally.  as soon as I could, I  enlisted in the us marines.  I was not a citizen yet,  and yet somehow I had these rights that you speak of.  rights that you so cherish that you even imply that they must be only for the U.S. citizens.  yet we have thousands of legal residents (and a few illegal, but that's another story) that have sworn to defend these rights that you so cherish, but you clearly point out that they dont have.

it's comments like yours that sometimes makes me question how truly people know the rights that they are "so proud to uphold".


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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2014, 09:03:39 PM »
Semp appears to be asking a question regarding freedom of speech in relation to being a citizen, however he composes most of his questions in a third grade, attention deficit disorder manner that makes them indecipherable.

think you have made it very clear that the only right you have earned is the right to smoke pot.


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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #63 on: February 21, 2014, 09:15:46 PM »
see hlbly, i came to this country legally.  as soon as I could, I  enlisted in the us marines.  I was not a citizen yet,  and yet somehow I had these rights that you speak of.  rights that you so cherish that you even imply that they must be only for the U.S. citizens.  yet we have thousands of legal residents (and a few illegal, but that's another story) that have sworn to defend these rights that you so cherish, but you clearly point out that they dont have.

it's comments like yours that sometimes makes me question how truly people know the rights that they are "so proud to uphold".


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« Reply #64 on: February 21, 2014, 09:32:12 PM »
I thought you said your brother was the Marine?

I mentioned many times before that I was a marine, along with my brother, we both followed our father.  I also take it personally when people talk about rights as if they were reserved to U.S. citizens only,  they arent, whether some people like it or not.

there are some rights that are only reserved to citizens like the right to vote for president, but most are guaranteed to all.  most people only know their rights as they think they should be, not how they are. 

and hillbly these rights arent given by god, they are given by the constitution of the united states.   


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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #65 on: February 21, 2014, 11:51:27 PM »
I mentioned many times before that I was a marine, along with my brother, we both followed our father.  I also take it personally when people talk about rights as if they were reserved to U.S. citizens only,  they arent, whether some people like it or not.

there are some rights that are only reserved to citizens like the right to vote for president, but most are guaranteed to all.  most people only know their rights as they think they should be, not how they are. 

and hillbly these rights arent given by god, they are given by the constitution of the united states.   


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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2014, 11:53:41 PM »
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.





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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2014, 11:59:10 PM »
wow is the IQ of the rest of the ava staff like yours?  no wonder you guys cant get people to play there.



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A truly weak statement based on a lame generalization, not to mention completely void of any facts.



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« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2014, 12:35:20 AM »
A truly weak statement based on a lame generalization, not to mention completely void of any facts.

Its the pace of the discussion.
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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2014, 12:45:37 AM »
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.





Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

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edit: and ink, our creator could be anything we believe in.  be it a "supreme god", "intelligent design"  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl, buda or just as simple as your mother and father.

see that's the beauty of the constitution.  it was written in a way that it's supposed to unite people not separate. 


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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2014, 01:37:49 AM »
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

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edit: and ink, our creator could be anything we believe in.  be it a "supreme god", "intelligent design"  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl, buda or just as simple as your mother and father.

see that's the beauty of the constitution.  it was written in a way that it's supposed to unite people not separate. 




Yet here we are in a plethora of individuality and perspectives. Too bad we all can't just get along and accept that we might have different viewpoints on something, but that we can still coexist and live life to what we deem be the fullest?

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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2014, 03:55:23 AM »
If it wasn't such a powerful statement, I would agree . Rich you and I both look at that flag and see, the Constitution, the ideals,and what it used to be. Some people see the symbol of a government out of control. One that does not honor the oath of office they each and every one took. We see family or friends that have wrote that blank check when we took that same oath. They see people that are mouthing sacred words. We see people we care about ready and willing to cash that check up to and including the ultimate price because they took that oath. To them it is mere words that must be spoken to have their power or a paycheck. To us it is a sacred pledge we will honor for the rest of our days. What we see and what they see are both real. What is needed is for both groups to see the entire truth. Those two different perceptions are why I feel as I do about flag burning.

As for myself I see dead and maimed soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, coast guard, troops on the field of battle and/or trying to repair shattered lives after Protecting our freedoms and ridding the world of tyrants. I also see millions of men and woman who gave up many years of their prime to do the same if called upon. It doesnt matter if they were volunteers, if anything a volunteer service brings us back to the roots of American military service.

Anyway thats what I see when I see the Flag. Sacrifice! And its why I think there should be a criminal penalty for defacing it, and why nobody will ever change my mind.

I seek no understanding or middle ground with those who would harm the symbol of these sacrifices and I feel only contempt and anger at those who would do so. I'd rather see them sitting in a jail cell then appear on Oprah with them to discuss the matter.

As strongly as I felt about it before it has tripled since my own Boy has taken the oath. Thats why I Love Texas and San Antonio area. Now that is a state and a community that knows how to pay honor to the military family and the Constitution. :salute
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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2014, 08:39:31 AM »
As strongly as I felt about it before it has tripled since my own Boy has taken the oath. Thats why I Love Texas and San Antonio area. Now that is a state and a community that knows how to pay honor to the military family and the Constitution. :salute

My son Thomas in 2007 doing his rehab at Ft Sam Houston in San Antonio after being wounded in Iraq. The local community really does honor and show love for the military community especially the wounded warriors. He was always treated with diginity and respect when out in public. We'll always love and be grateful for the city of San Antonio in this family.


 

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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2014, 10:28:40 AM »
Shifty, your son Thomas, words fail me Sir.

Thank you Thomas, thank you very much, I shall forever be in your debt.
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Re: Words simply fail me
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2014, 11:56:07 AM »
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