109 out turning a spit

[nrshida]

Yes, so a 109 pilot could lower "combat flaps" in about two seconds using only his left arm.

Depends on the definition of combat flaps. In your video I think it took 24 seconds to fully deploy, and that was engine off, still on the ground.

[FLOOB]

Agreed. 

Need to factor in the near-190 roll rate, improved engine power, etc.  I suppose it might be marginally "worse" if you are considering it from a pure, flat turn perspective but adding those other factors in it becomes the most maneuverable of the Spits.   

The spit 8,9,16 all have basically the same turn rate and sustained turning circle, and they are all significantly better than the seafire. On the list spit8 is 21, spit16 is 22, spit9 is 23. But the seafire is 37 better than the la5(38), but worse than the la7(36). The spit14 comes in at a mind boggling 50, worse than the tempest. Which completely contradicts RAF tactical trial reports.

It seems that aircraft weight makes a HUGE difference, as evidenced by the seafire(37) vs the spitV(14) and by the 202(30) vs the 205(60).

[PanosGR]

To be precise. . . 109s don't have notches. I doubt very much 109 pilots ever used flaps in combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nocUM2otPUw

I take it you all have see this video, but in any case I posted again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcMjhihuuX8

The way I see it is that there is no chance of lowering these flaps during combat with high g stress (above 2g) with one hand having no  throttle control at the same time. Most probably 109 pilots rarely used flaps in combat. You see they didnt have any HOTAS system in those days . What are we doing in AH is more like science-game fiction.

[-ammo-]

Are you Turkish or something? J/K

Thanks for the link

[PanosGR]

Are you Turkish or something?  

[Aspen]

I read that Marseille used flaps during combat in the 109 but that he was the exception and it was not taught, recommended or designed to be used that way.  There are thousands of things about the operation of our planes in-game that don't mirror reality.  109s without the ability to use flaps in combat would be boring.  They seem to be a pretty even match for the opponents they came up against with how things work now.

[FLOOB]

Instead of hitting a key for flaps you should have to hold down a key. Just like we do for trim.

[morfiend]

To be precise. . . 109s don't have notches. I doubt very much 109 pilots ever used flaps in combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nocUM2otPUw

  Did you read my whole post or just cherry pick a part of it to start an arguement?

  I said I never flew a real 109 or spit,yes I know the real 109's used a wheel assembly to deploy flaps but I also said I can only comment on ingame performance! And in AH the 109 has several notches of flaps you can deploy!

  I also doubt that flaps were used to the extent we use them in AH,however that was real life and this is a game.....




     

 PS: do you care to dispute what I said?

[Brooke]

Are you Turkish or something?  

Indeed!  (My great great grandfather was Greek, so I feel entitled to show my indignation as well!   )

[-ammo-]

Sometimes, my job requires me to sit between a Turk and a Greek in a NATO forum.   Nothing stops NATO progress like the Turks and the Greeks.  Trust me, I get it all too well. 

I was just poking fun

[PanosGR]

Instead of hitting a key for flaps you should have to hold down a key. Just like we do for trim.

I totally concur

[GScholz]

Depends on the definition of combat flaps. In your video I think it took 24 seconds to fully deploy, and that was engine off, still on the ground.

In the video he was leisurely turning the wheel using his fingertips. One revolution of the wheel should produce about 10 degrees of flaps.

[Karnak]

Agreed. 

Need to factor in the near-190 roll rate, improved engine power, etc.  I suppose it might be marginally "worse" if you are considering it from a pure, flat turn perspective but adding those other factors in it becomes the most maneuverable of the Spits.   

Engine in the Mk XVI is the same engine as in the Mk VIII.

[BnZs]

Engine in the Mk XVI is the same engine as in the Mk VIII.

The full length wings of the VIII also give it close to a degree per second turn rate advantage over the XVI. Granted for most combat purposes the decided roll rate advantage is much more significant, but we're talking a knife fight here.

[Karnak]

I totally concur

Sure, for 109s and those that function like it.  Others like the Spitfire would just need to press the button.