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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2014, 10:16:28 PM »
You posted something that had nothing to do with what I'm challenging GScholz to qualify.

You don't understand what 'qualifying an assertion' means, do you?  :D

what makes you think that you are qualified to make that statement.  please feel free to enlighten me with your fabulous education.

and what I posted was exactly what you were challenging gscholz on.


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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2014, 10:24:06 PM »
what makes you think that you are qualified to make that statement.  please feel free to enlighten me with your fabulous education.

and what I posted was exactly what you were challenging gscholz on.


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Could you and GScholz start a new thread so you can continue to discuss what you both think this thread is about there and get that thread locked? Fall into each other's confused arms and find bliss.  :aok
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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2014, 10:35:11 PM »
I responded to a post on page one of this thread that carried on the ragging of the current generations from the previous thread. However, I consider the matter closed.
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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2014, 10:45:57 PM »
I responded to a post on page one of this thread that carried on the ragging of the current generations from the previous thread. However, I consider the matter closed.

You drug your issues from that thread here as if Skuzzy's warning then lock never happened. You shoulda let it go then. Whether the term 'better late than never' applies remains to be seen. You are habitual.

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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2014, 10:49:03 PM »
Could you and GScholz start a new thread so you can continue to discuss what you both think this thread is about there and get that thread locked? Fall into each other's confused arms and find bliss.  :aok

no the problem is that you keep arguing that the younger generation isnt as motivated as the older generation from ww2.  but you arent comparing the same thing.  the older generation has had 70 years to make it on the list.  the list has people that have been dead for 30 or even 40 years.  and you want to compare it to the new generation that has been at war for 10 or less and arent yet famous.

in another 20 or 30 years we will have a lot of  war vets who will be famous from our current generation.


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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2014, 10:49:14 PM »
The other thread was locked because the original poster couldn't keep his politics out of it, not because of this issue.
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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #52 on: March 16, 2014, 10:54:27 PM »
no the problem is that you keep arguing that the younger generation isnt as motivated as the older generation from ww2.  but you arent comparing the same thing.  the older generation has had 70 years to make it on the list.  the list has people that have been dead for 30 or even 40 years.  and you want to compare it to the new generation that has been at war for 10 or less and arent yet famous.

in another 20 or 30 years we will have a lot of  war vets who will be famous from our current generation.


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Actually, no. That's not my problem. That's not my assertion. You may need to learn to read and not emulate GScholz

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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2014, 10:56:21 PM »
The other thread was locked because the original poster couldn't keep his politics out of it, not because of this issue.

Your issue.

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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2014, 11:04:19 PM »
Actually, no. That's not my problem. That's not my assertion. You may need to learn to read and not emulate GScholz

then what is your problem, assertion or argument?


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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2014, 11:08:01 PM »
then what is your problem, assertion or argument?


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Neither GScholz's inability to qualify his assertion nor your coming into the thread to defend him are my problems. I put him on the spot and you thought it looked comfortable enough for the both of you as a couple.  :aok

Learn to backtrack a thread, Semp.

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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2014, 11:20:51 PM »
Neither GScholz's inability to qualify his assertion nor your coming into the thread to defend him are my problems. I put him on the spot and you thought it looked comfortable enough for the both of you as a couple.  :aok

Learn to backtrack a thread, Semp.

and you cant prove that he's wrong either.  can you?  currently we have 16 members in congress who served in iraq and Afghanistan. as time passes by there will be more vets in congress and more vets who will be famous in other areas from the current generation.

can you prove that I am wrong?


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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2014, 11:35:41 PM »
and you cant prove that he's wrong either.  can you?  currently we have 16 members in congress who served in iraq and Afghanistan. as time passes by there will be more vets in congress and more vets who will be famous in other areas from the current generation.

can you prove that I am wrong?


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Read carefully: GScholz posted an assertion that if it wasn't for the draft (and WWI because, um, for some reason that lent more credence to the former) the list posted by the OP would be considerably shorter. It was up to him to prove his assertion if challenged. I did just that, I challenged it. He apparently went to Wiki to find said proof then said he couldn't (he couldn't qualify his statement - that made it an unqualified opinion - not a qualified fact). Not sure how far down the list he went before he got frustrated.

Take over and save GScholz from the apparently devastating embarrassment of retracting his assertion by proving that enough names on the list were drafted and served against their will and, as such, shorten said list significantly when it comes to volunteer service. Wouldn't that be better than deflecting for him?  :D
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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2014, 12:01:12 AM »
The other thread was locked because the original poster couldn't keep his politics out of it, not because of this issue.

Been gone a few days.

I never said any such thing.  If you would have read my post that was locked, you would see and read that I cut and pasted the post.  I didn't get the politics of another person edited out.  I didn't create that list.  I cut and pasted it.  Comprehend?  I cut and pasted it from another forum.  Don't be posting what I didn't say.  I never said I created it, I said I cut and pasted it.

I have the utmost respect for those who served then, and those who serve now.

I just wanted to post that list as I was fascinated at what some of my favorite actors did to serve during that time back then.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Boy, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
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Re: Second try of 40's and 50's era Hollywood stars and what they did
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2014, 12:02:48 AM »
You've gone into full troll mode Arlo. Desperately trying to push buttons, but failing. I stand by what I said, and if given the opportunity (I doubt it) I will try to prove it. Also if someone proves me wrong I will change my opinion.

However, there are facts available that support my "assertion" as you put it. During WWII more than 10 million men were drafted into military service (according to Wikipedia at least). Since the U.S. went to war in Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003, about 2.5 million members of the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard and related Reserve and National Guard units have been deployed in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Of those, more than a third were deployed more than once.

Obviously the statistics will favor the largest war in human history, over a low intensity conflict. Also the draft matters, because a professional army is a job career that goes beyond just fighting a war until it's over. Conscripts go home when the war ends... And some become celebrities.

And to quote a veteran named David Simmons:

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"I am a 79 year old volunteer veteran of the Army Air Corps in WWII. The number of ridiculous myths about WWII, particularly those by Tom Brokaw (The Greatest Generation) and some by Steven Ambrose, make me gag. The idea that it was "one for all and all for one" is not only wrong, it borders on ludicrous. And I went into the Army in 1943 so I don't know if things got tenser as the war went on. But I doubt if they got any easier.

The incidence of AWOL, in Europe at least, in WWII was much higher than in Vietnam (or, for that matter, in Korea). During the Battle of the Bulge in Dec. and Jan. 1944-45 riflemen were in such short supply that cooks and bakers and company clerks who hadn't had any infantry training since Extended Order Drill in Basic Training were put into the line. At the same time, according to historian John Tolandin Battle: Story of the Bulge, the equivalent of a division of infantry was AWOL somewhere in France.

Not that we were all a bunch of gold-bricks, but we were far from the unified heroes as Tom Brokaw would have it. The war was regarded as a nasty job that had to be done so it was. But very few people went out of their way to push themselves forward into the thick of the action. If we had to go we went, for the most part anyway, and that was about the size of it.

By they way, this is all my view of things. I'm sure you will find others who remember WWII differently."


They did their duty to their nation. Nothing more. Nothing less. The current generations are doing the same.
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