Hello? chirp chirp anyone out there?

[Tank-Ace]

Again (since I already covered that), you can't take my word for it, I guess.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "trust but verify"?

You said it involved a lot of work, you gave no time frame for what "a lot of work" is. And given the CM team's treatment of the situation, I feel I'm perfectly justified in verifying this. Until a while ago, I felt you might have been exempt from this criticism of the CM team, but you've grown more and more dismissive the longer this goes on.

I think that the large majority of players are happy with the scenario.  I don't think an appreciable number of them would change their minds, even if there is someone out there trying to convince them to be unhappy.

Change their minds about the scenario as a whole? Perhaps not. But I think that they would definitely agree that the B5N is the better choice.

This is just going over the same ground again and again.

You're right, we've simply reached a difference in prioritization, I think. I prioritize performance and firepower, you prioritize blueness  .



Btw, nice summarization of my post. If you want to casually dismiss valid points like that, well that's your choice.

[Brooke]

I felt you might have been exempt from this criticism of the CM team,

Thanks! 

but

Alas. 

[Swoop]

But I think that they would definitely agree that the B5N is the better choice.

Yeah, see I'm afraid I don't agree.  Unfortunately, I don't have an alternative to suggest either, but flying a plane pretending to be a TBD that has japanese instruments would completely ruin the immersion for me.  Completely and totally.  Forget the skin, I'm looking out the front anyway, I can't see the skin.  But the japanese writing all over the cockpit and those god awful altimeters the IJN planes have would just kill it for me.


a)  it's only for Pearl and Midway, after those frames we're historically accurate anyway.

b)  scenarios are designed to be fair and give both sides the same chance of winning, the use of TBMs over TDBs will have been taken into consideration in either scoring or plane limits or both.

c)  one of the very early scenarios (Afrika Korps) had typhoons pretending to be beaufighters....and I still maintain to this day that was the best scenario I've ever flown in.

and d)  this discussion has gone on way too bleedin long already.

[Brooke]

You said it involved a lot of work, you gave no time frame for what "a lot of work" is.

You mean other than "a couple times in the last 10 years" sort of timeframe that I talked about?  In this case, what I wrote was:  "The problem is that you can't put skins into a scenario without them being built into the terrain, and that only happens in the rare case that (1) a terrain is being rebuilt at least a couple of months in advance and (2) someone has done a suitable skin.  The odds of it are like the alignment of planets.  Getting a skin in for a scenario has happened a couple of times in 10 years.  Builds of terrains involve the terrain team putting in a bunch of work, and it has to then be run through checks and cleared by HTC."

That covers it pretty well, but I can rephrase it to explain another way.  Normally, it isn't done.  When it has been done, it involved (1) a person making a skin, (2) a person rebuilding a terrain to put the skin in (see below for more information on this factor), and (3) Skuzzy recertifying the terrain and releasing it for use on Special-Events servers (a bunch of work for him, but I don't know how many man-hours it is).

Terrains are handled by the Terrain Team.  These volunteers build new terrains and rework old terrains that are broken or made non-optimal by updates to AH.  They have a large backlog of old terrains to rework or replace, and a queue of new terrains that they want to develop.  Take whoever you think is an example of an overworked person (a booked-solid surgeon, maybe, who hasn't spent an evening with his family for the past two months; or a salesman who is in the process of travelling to 20 states and 10 different countries on high-value sales calls) and see if he has a spare day to help you paint your house.  It's like that.

And it's not just the work -- it's the timing of it.  You have to do the work between the time you pick the plane set for the next scenario and about one month from the start of that scenario.  How big is that window?  It's somewhere around a few months.  So, the skinner gets a month to do his work, and the terrain team gets a couple of months to do the work (or whatever mix adds up to a few months).  Those people who do the work have to be available exactly during that specific time period, start the work during that period, and end it during that period.  In addition just to the effort involved, the need for it to happen in a particular window is what cuts down the odds of it as well.

[Widewing]

I didn't read every post, but does anyone realize that the TBF fought at Midway? Six of VT-8s TBFs were brought to Midway on Hornet. They attacked the Japanese fleet without escort. 5 were shot down, one limped back to Midway shot up badly with the rear gunner dead. It was written off.

There is very little difference between the Grumman built TBF and the GM built TBM. Just detail differences that would have no impact on game play.

[Brooke]

Tank-Ace, you will be happy to hear this.  Falcon tells me that there is a way now to add skins to Special-Events terrains without the laborious process I described above, which is excellent.  That means making the skin is now the main work with very little time needed for adding it to the server -- and what I described above is now completely wrong!

So, you were right after all to suspect my description of what is involved in getting skins into the Special-Events arenas.   

[Brooke]

I got to meet Harry Ferrier once, who flew on the plane Widewing mentions.

There is a great book about VT-8 and about US torpedo bombing -- "A Dawn Like Thunder: The True Story of Torpedo Squadron Eight", by Mrazek.

[Hajo]

Unfortunately I have read most of these posts.

I have lead squadrons in a couple scenarios.

The CMs do a thankless job but for a few who understand the personal time and work involved.

I would not blame any of them if they just gave up.
There are always some personal agendas involved in this community.

I don't register for Scenarios anymore.  That should be no big deal to anyone.
If anything I may walk on rarely.

I just don't appreciate the negativity that builds before, during, and after a Scenario.
But that's just me.  Some of this Community should grow up. I'm older and I don't suffer children as I once did.

CMs carry on!  You do great work.....and thanks.

[perdue3]

See Rule #4

[Brooke]

Unfortunately I have read most of these posts.

  

Hajo, come play in this next one!  It will be glorious. 

Don't let a small number of folks complaining about this or that ruin your fun.  Heck, there are whole countries of people not just complaining about you (as a citizen of the US), but who would like to kill you if they had the chance, and you don't let that ruin your fun!

A blast from the past.  Here is the caption in my AAR for this picture below from Coral Sea 2009:  "A view back at my Avenger. There are enough Zeros to get me, but it's the pest of a smoking Zero that gets me, my Avenger exploding a moment after this picture was taken. If it weren't for him, I might have at least lived to my drop point. So close! (It turns out the Zero that got me was flown by Hajo -- at whom I now shake my fist! ). t=0:47"

[Hajo]

 

Hajo, come play in this next one!  It will be glorious. 

Don't let a small number of folks complaining about this or that ruin your fun.  Heck, there are whole countries of people not just complaining about you (as a citizen of the US), but who would like to kill you if they had the chance, and you don't let that ruin your fun!

A blast from the past.  Here is the caption in my AAR for this picture below from Coral Sea 2009:  "A view back at my Avenger. There are enough Zeros to get me, but it's the pest of a smoking Zero that gets me, my Avenger exploding a moment after this picture was taken. If it weren't for him, I might have at least lived to my drop point. So close! (It turns out the Zero that got me was flown by Hajo -- at whom I now shake my fist! ). t=0:47"

(Image removed from quote.)

Brooke I had a blast in that Coral Sea Event. 

[Stampf]

I wouldn't either.

And where would that leave us, as the playerbase?  Or is that the goal here with all this crying?  And if so I have to ask again, where would that leave us?

What happened to you, Doo?  Did you take a couple months off - Go play warthunder and lose your balls?  Damn, Scoob you used to be a fighting man.  I have never witnessed a more pathetic catalogue of defeatist wimpisms than this thread exhibits.  Whining about torpedo bombers?  My god, get a grip folks.  Strap in, goggle up and kill the enemy.

Any kommnader worth his stripes could take either side in this scenario and win handily.

[ROC]

I would not blame any of them if they just gave up.

Absolutely nothing, not one single thing, in this or any other thread comes even remotely close to causing me, personally, to think this isn't worth doing. 
Stampf, as usual, nails it.

Any kommnader worth his stripes could take either side in this scenario and win handily.

[LCADolby]

TBMs for TBDs is a go
Well I guess next time the Battle of Britain is upon us,
I'm looking forward especially to my 109F1 substitute; the handy 109G6
It amounts to the same thing.

[waystin2]

Any kommander worth his stripes could take either side in this scenario and win handily.

QFT