Yak-9U vs Yak-3

[lunatic1]

Huh?  Citation pls

chevrolet don't make those anymore.

[Perrine]

Ah, I see your position now.  In WWII on the Ost Front, comparing any of the Soviet aircraft and German aircraft MUST include the training of the pilots, tactics used, and ROI/SOP in terms of combat is far different that what we do in the Aces High realm.  THEY are worlds apart indeed.  In actuality, on the Ost Front I don't think the two planes were as apart as they are in AH for the reasons mentioned above.    

Forgot to add when I said "pure fighter" it meant cowl guns and nose cannon only for G14.

To me the level of difficulty of trying to kill another fighter while flying yak3 and 109g14 is the same.  While the yak is indeed easier to fly, you still need to get real close and make 110% sure to land those rounds right because of high ROF ShVAKs and is notoriously short clipped.  Only gunnery skills is what seperates good yak pilot to mediocre.  109 in comparison takes too much work in comparison but it's still possible to take it near the edge against yaks and you get the "luxury" of spraying its cowl guns (2x mg 131) and nose cannons (mg 151).

I know it's not saying much good about later 109s but the in-game G14 (pure fighter config.) to me is as maneuverable as g6 with better stability (taller tail?) and feel more confident taking it near the (slow) edge of envelope than the K4.  

[SmokinLoon]

Forgot to add when I said "pure fighter" it meant cowl guns and nose cannon only for G14.

To me the level of difficulty of trying to kill another fighter while flying yak3 and 109g14 is the same.  While the yak is indeed easier to fly, you still need to get real close and make 110% sure to land those rounds right because of high ROF ShVAKs and is notoriously short clipped.  Only gunnery skills is what seperates good yak pilot to mediocre.  109 in comparison takes too much work in comparison but it's still possible to take it near the edge against yaks and you get the "luxury" of spraying its cowl guns (2x mg 131) and nose cannons (mg 151).

I know it's not saying much good about later 109s but the in-game G14 (pure fighter config.) to me is as maneuverable as g6 with better stability (taller tail?) and feel more confident taking it near the (slow) edge of envelope than the K4.  

Actually, I suggest you do more testing between the G-6 and G-14.  The G-6 is probably the most stable of the 109's and lags behind the G-14 in every category save for sustained turn rate, iirc.  On mil power the G-14 has a lot going for it, with the 10 minute+ WEP it turns from Bruce Banner to Hulk.

The G-6 is not nearly as torquey, and it doesn't dip that left wing so easily.  The G-6 just seems to me smooooth, for a 109.   

[LCADolby]

My nickname for the G6 is "The Bus"

[dirtdart]

Russian airplane in general take a lot more ammo to kill. I am saying this from flying the ki43 and shooting airplanes in the same place (wing root). Spits, wings come off very easy. Jugs, mustangs... easy. German airplanes... easy. Russian airplanes, most of the ammo load.

I have no doubt in my mind that the damage model HTC uses for the airplanes is accurate, I understand Russian airplane to have been built a little more ruggedly then other nations.

So when flying against Russian airplanes, I just aim for the cockpit. The yak3 reminds me of fighting a spiteen.

[BnZs]

Russian airplane in general take a lot more ammo to kill. I am saying this from flying the ki43 and shooting airplanes in the same place (wing root). Spits, wings come off very easy. Jugs, mustangs... easy. German airplanes... easy. Russian airplanes, most of the ammo load.

I have no doubt in my mind that the damage model HTC uses for the airplanes is accurate, I understand Russian airplane to have been built a little more ruggedly then other nations.

So when flying against Russian airplanes, I just aim for the cockpit. The yak3 reminds me of fighting a spiteen.

There is no way in hell a Yak was in reality more resistant to damage than the Jug. Artifact of the damage model.

[save]

Yak3 was not well armoured IRL, and it should not be in AH.

[Karnak]

Yak3 was not well armoured IRL, and it should not be in AH.

It isn't.  Its durability is an artifact of its small size causing hits to be spread over multiple damage areas.

[Rich46yo]

It isn't.  Its durability is an artifact of its small size causing hits to be spread over multiple damage areas.

I agree with this. Its far more at risk of pilot wounds then many would think. Not only is it small but it seems to blend in with most backgrounds. Its just not a big airplane and its responsive making it difficult to pin down in a long burst. I would not even rate it near the "toughest". As for the spiteen? If you lose to a Yak in one either that Yak stick was much better then you or you did something wrong.

The spiteen has a lot of advantage in turn, climb,guns, and most of all acceleration. I'd bet its roll and dive is close enough as well. Not to say the better guy in the Yak 3 wont win but the spiteen has advantage in almost every category. The exception might be, might be, if the fight is managed in the 200 to 250 mph bubble.

[BnZs]

It isn't.  Its durability is an artifact of its small size causing hits to be spread over multiple damage areas.

QFT. The toughness of such small planes should be scaled on down to compensate, IMO.

[perdue3]

The one without the oil cooler.

[Widewing]

The one without the oil cooler.

It has an oil cooler, it's just not under the nose (wing root inlet).