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Offline SmokinLoon

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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2014, 08:32:20 AM »
Perk the lancs.  What are you going to do when the sky is now full of bomb and bail B24's?

Perk them too I guess  :rolleyes:

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hence my suggestion of applying a small perk price to the Lancaster, B24, B17, B26, and Tu-2.  It isn't a matter of stopping the bomb-n-bail as much as it is applying a linear price based on the ability to wreck havoc with the aid of bomb load, speed, climb rate, range, and defensive ability.  Notice I've left the Ju88 off the list.  While it carries usable ordnance comparable to the B26 (4/500kg), it is restricted by its range, speed, and defensive armament. The Ju88 isn't going to get to the strategic targets easily enough on most occasions so the 20/50kg bombs are not worth much (vs city blocks they are great).

Again, I emphasize that applying a perk price is not going to stop the bomb-n-bail price, that isn't why I suggest it. However, for every flight of Lancasters lost there should be a bomb run with "lesser" bombers to earn the perk points.  It isn't like it is difficult to earn bomber perk points.   
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2014, 08:59:55 AM »
:rolleyes:

hence my suggestion of applying a small perk price to the Lancaster, B24, B17, B26, and Tu-2.  It isn't a matter of stopping the bomb-n-bail as much as it is applying a linear price based on the ability to wreck havoc with the aid of bomb load, speed, climb rate, range, and defensive ability.  Notice I've left the Ju88 off the list.  While it carries usable ordnance comparable to the B26 (4/500kg), it is restricted by its range, speed, and defensive armament. The Ju88 isn't going to get to the strategic targets easily enough on most occasions so the 20/50kg bombs are not worth much (vs city blocks they are great).

Again, I emphasize that applying a perk price is not going to stop the bomb-n-bail price, that isn't why I suggest it. However, for every flight of Lancasters lost there should be a bomb run with "lesser" bombers to earn the perk points.  It isn't like it is difficult to earn bomber perk points.    
The problem with perking the Lancaster Mk III, B-24J, B-17G, B-26B, and Tu-2S is that the remaining bombers are substantially less efficient than simply using Bf110s, P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and Typhoons.  Some of them are probably even less efficient than using Ki-84s.  While the free bombers in your scenario are useful perk farmers, they are not effective weapon systems in the LWA due to either excessive vulnerability or inadequate bomb load or both.  This would put bombers in a distinctly different place than fighters where numerous, effective LWA fighters are free of any perk price.  Perking those five bombers would be like perking every fighter below ENY 30.
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2014, 02:57:25 PM »
Instead of crying for perking everything why not just take a turn climbing to 15k and flying CAP for awhiles before taking your turn picking and vulching.

The days of the great bomber hunters are mostly gone. Theres only a few left, and they have been replaced by a whole lot of whiners. To be fair there are also to many scurves who jump out of their bombers right after they drop and/or as soon as they see red lining up on them.

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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2014, 04:14:15 PM »
i understand the cost is generally irrelevant just making the point.. they were not cheap

as for the "thats not how they were used!" argument never really argued that side of anything....as war always takes on a new form


There is no point to make, Lancs are FREE therefor cost comparison are irrelevant.

Again this is not war. What you are arguing is that you don't like the way they are used in the game and so are looking for a change to curb that type of game play. Again, as this is a game and it is a "free for all" open sandbox why would HTC stop a PAYING customer from playing the game the way they want as long as it doesn't negatively impact the whole arena. If all you saw were these huge flights of Lancs completely shutting down 4 or 5 sectors of bases then you might have a point.

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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2014, 05:10:27 PM »
Should start charging perks for wishes...

^^^^this^^^^ or just posting on the BB..........dang -10 perks for me
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2014, 03:27:52 AM »
Should start charging perks for wishes...

Can I give up all my perks for one day in the J2M?  :eek:
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2014, 08:17:37 AM »
Don't perk the heavy bombers - perk their drones!
This will stop players from treating them as expendable 2-extra-life bomb mules.
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #52 on: March 30, 2014, 09:49:33 AM »
Don't perk the heavy bombers - perk their drones!
This will stop players from treating them as expendable 2-extra-life bomb mules.

Interesting idea.

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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #53 on: March 30, 2014, 10:05:10 AM »
Yes, yes!  DEATH TO BOMBER PILOTS!!! :bhead
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #54 on: March 30, 2014, 10:54:31 AM »
This will stop players from treating them as expendable 2-extra-life bomb mules.

Good luck finding a heavy bomber formation at any altitude below their max operational after that ;)
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #55 on: March 30, 2014, 10:55:04 AM »
Don't perk the heavy bombers - perk their drones!
This will stop players from treating them as expendable 2-extra-life bomb mules.
No.  Bombers are too vulnerable and the  time investment to use them too great.
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2014, 11:29:15 AM »
1) Lancs are weak, wingtips easily shot off
2) Guns suck!
3) C'mon.... it's British.  :)

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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2014, 11:30:34 AM »
Yes, yes!  DEATH TO BOMBER PILOTS!!! :bhead
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2014, 11:46:56 AM »
Have fun HQ raiding  :)

Just horde it with P-51's.  It'll be fine. :lol
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Re: Lancasters perk them?
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2014, 04:09:08 PM »
1) Lancs are weak, wingtips easily shot off
2) Guns suck!
3) C'mon.... it's British.  :)

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