Lancasters perk them?

[RotBaron]

so would you have spent your perks on them hq busting a few days ago if they were?

you know your wish would change the dynamics of this game considerably?

[SmokinLoon]

Post like this make me laugh as well.

The people that cry to perk a bomber do so because they were either bombed or shot down by the bomber they wish to have perked.  There is no valid reason to perk the Lancaster, it does not unbalance the game play in any fashion.

Basically, players (like the OP and those that think like him) cry to perk planes that kill them and/or they can't kill themselves.

ack-ack

I'm not vouching to have the heavy bombers perked because I've been bombed or shot down by one, I'm looking at the scale of what's is and is not perked, and the effects of the those aircraft not being perked that may "need" a perk cost. It is sad that you think that I would jump on that bandwagon, seriously. I have no issues shooting down bombers or getting carpet bombed. Maybe you're so against perking the heavy bombers because you suck and can't earn bomber perk points to save your soul? Go swing your purse in the World of Tanks forums, Jr.

The fact that heavy bomber are so valuable and are very able and commonly do wreck havoc on bases, carrier groups, and strats, and ultimately there is no risk for bombing and bailing, ***should*** account for something, some sort of worth and risk.  Since it is oh so very easy to earn bomber perk points, why not? One mission in Boston's, G4M's, He111's, etc, can earn a player 20+ bomber perks easily. That should be good for two flights of bomb-n-bail Lancasters, no?

[stabbyy]

so would you have spent your perks on them hq busting a few days ago if they were?

you know your wish would change the dynamics of this game considerably?

ive spent them on dumber things....

[RotBaron]

In thinking about some of the latter comments here, I'm wondering if maybe this wouldn't be a bad idea for the game, in this sense: Lancasters are probably the #1 used bomb and bail, they are #1 used in steamrolling maps and making resistance futile i.e. dropping hangars. Furthermore, ENY/perks are attached to numerous things regarding fighters and ord is one of them iirc, the Lancaster is what ENY 10, and the B29 2, yet some would argue it's survivability for the Lancs, or lack thereof. Hmmm, only one way to survive a good ftr approach in this game, have so much alt they can't/won't get to you.

Hmmm for encouraging more skill less tardness, maybe they should be perked. That would do away with some lancstuka dudes if they actually at some point had to up a meaningful sortie now and then...

hmmm 

[Bruv119]

no the game needs more lancaster pilots.    easy kills and best tool for the job it's a fair trade off.   

[stabbyy]

Stab...  Planes are perked because they will cause an imbalance if they weren't.  You are correct, if 262's were free, they would be used all the time, causing an imbalance.

Do you see the lanc as causing an imbalance in the game given that it's only positive over other bombers is what's in it's belly?  

when it comes to bombers....thats really all the matters getting home is just a rare and welcome reward

does not matter how well armed you are... or how fast you are... as many cases fighters will stalk you till you slow down to land if your fast...

and if your well armed they will either wait till you are stopping on airstrip/dropping ords...or just drill you as they collide   really comes down to how bad they want the kill

and compared to some of these guys.. yes i am new... but i am not that new 2 weeks was up along time ago my reasoning is sound whether people like it or not it would change things... and remove a few easy kills but make some "typical" tasks more challenging and i feel that is what people are more so objecting to more then the actual thought of perking it because it does have a imbalanced level....ords wise

like you said...you would see mostly 262s running around if they were free well...if you look at the buffs running around they are 80% lancs no?(unless its a strat raid)

[Tinkles]

when it comes to bombers....thats really all the matters getting home is just a rare and welcome reward

does not matter how well armed you are... or how fast you are... as many cases fighters will stalk you till you slow down to land if your fast...

and if your well armed they will either wait till you are stopping on airstrip/dropping ords...or just drill you as they collide   really comes down to how bad they want the kill

and compared to some of these guys.. yes i am new... but i am not that new 2 weeks was up along time ago my reasoning is sound whether people like it or not it would change things... and remove a few easy kills but make some "typical" tasks more challenging and i feel that is what people are more so objecting to more then the actual thought of perking it because it does have a imbalanced level....ords wise

like you said...you would see mostly 262s running around if they were free well...if you look at the buffs running around they are 80% lancs no?(unless its a strat raid)

The most common bomber I ever encountered was b17, b24, or the b26, even for strat raids.
I don't see lancs as much as others do, but I don't think they should be perked or have any limitations on them. In 'trade or turn' for having weaker guns (303s) then have a bigger loadout. Just like for the B26s, better guns, faster plane - less bombs.

While I understand your frustration, if you have someone who can aim in an anti-air GV, you should be fine.

 

[artik]

The problem with Lancaster that with full bomb load it takes forever to get the "relatively safe" altitude. Once I had flown half a map just to get to ~19k to be intercepted by some 109. It is also slow and has weak ammo.

So also it has a good punch it is virtually defenseless - as primary defense of bomber is surprise - in/out without being intercepted, otherwise you need an escort

[The Fugitive]

Perk the lancs.  What are you going to do when the sky is now full of bomb and bail B24's?

Perk them too I guess 

[stabbyy]

The problem with Lancaster that with full bomb load it takes forever to get the "relatively safe" altitude. Once I had flown half a map just to get to ~19k to be intercepted by some 109. It is also slow and has weak ammo.

So also it has a good punch it is virtually defenseless - as primary defense of bomber is surprise - in/out without being intercepted, otherwise you need an escort

well you should never climb toward the front line if you are flying long distance... you head out over freindly fields to about half your target alt... then swing back before flying into hostile airspace(that way your not climbing with fighters on your 6)

i took a set of lancs to 21k yesterday... got intercepted by a 110/p47 110 went down p47 got lucky and got a proxy as i took a direct puffy hit but....managed to pw/oil him before i went down... like i said before "Defence less" comes only if you dunno what your doing..ohh..and i managed to drop 17 of my 19 bombs(got ords to target which people are claiming is less likely more guns dont matter if you cant hit anything) also i did not avoid dar either  

and on that note lancs... can have only 1 plane survive out of an entire formation and still have more ords then another entire formation of some buffs 1 plane has 14k a full flight of 24s.. has 24k... so in all reality you only need to get 1 plane to target and still have enough ords to drop town/hangars as to where a single 24.. has just 8k... enough to drop 2 hangars and most of town...

@fugitive
well that is true as i said in my OP it wont fix everything but will at least give them less excess ords to throw around and 24s dont dive/turn like lancs which means less people exploiting the lack of a coded bomb bay...(as 24s pretty much have to level bomb or very shallow dive) if you turn a b24 under full power afte rpulling out of a dive you will almost always rip the wing offs unlike lancs... where you can hit 450mph pull up and pull off a loop drop then turn around and repeat

[The Fugitive]

actually for your information i do not view lancasters as a direct threat... even if im in GV the wish was a wish yes... but it was also a question to see what people thought

what does bother me is how stupidly they are used... vary rarely will lancs return home... because they are slow... which contributes to bomb n bail after WF town(because they can near WF it in 1 pass 2 at most)

also contributes to suicide into carrier groups

and low level carpet bombing of spawns

and at the time of i think it was 45k pounds(currency) for 1 lanc... that would be like i think some where 2million pounds today? or almost 4 million a plane math might be off on that one

so the fact people are throwing away we'll say 12million in planes just to kill a hand full of targets its a bit much

and granted i my self have done many of the listed above things....just not the bomb n bail that being said... i still dont think it should happen so frequently anything that can shut down a base purely on its own... should be perked in my opinion

and for the record it really does not matter what bomber you are in when you get intercepted it depends on what intercepted you... and how good of a gunner you are slow speed makes them easier to intercept yes... but it does not take many 50 cals to bring a plane on your 6 down...

Well the "costs" of the buffs are irrelevant as we all pay the same price for as many as we want to fly.

As for the bolded statement..... Welcome to Aces High were everyone gets to play the game how ever they want to.  Your never going to get a change in game play because "thats not the way they used them in WWII".

[Zoney]

Stabbyy, next time you are in Lancs, PM me and let me know where and I will demonstrate to you why it should not be perked.  It is one of the easiest buffs in the game to kill.

[stabbyy]

Well the "costs" of the buffs are irrelevant as we all pay the same price for as many as we want to fly.

As for the bolded statement..... Welcome to Aces High were everyone gets to play the game how ever they want to.  Your never going to get a change in game play because "thats not the way they used them in WWII".

i understand the cost is generally irrelevant just making the point.. they were not cheap

as for the "thats not how they were used!" argument never really argued that side of anything....as war always takes on a new form

[grizz441]

no the game needs more lancaster pilots.    easy kills and best tool for the job it's a fair trade off.   

This.

[RotBaron]

Perk the lancs.  What are you going to do when the sky is now full of bomb and bail B24's?

Perk them too I guess 

Maybe, but probably not since the 24's carry considerably less ord, nearly 50% less, they'll only be on their third spamming session of bomb and bails when they have to do the first job all over again.

Why not perk them? who uses bomber perks anyways and for what? a jet bomber sortie twice a year, a b29 sortie every 3 months

can i trade my bomber perks for ftr perks?