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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2014, 04:47:34 AM »
I don't see the US military sharing this technology anytime soon.

As long as phossil fuel is abundant and cheap this technology is not considered a strategic advantage. Having to ferry tankers to the cv:s is just costly and a risk factor they could do without. And chances are in a few years others will repeat the process. If they don't capitalize on it now, they lose the profits.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2014, 05:08:35 AM »
It's not so much what's best for the US economy that matters; it's what the US military wants to do that counts. They have the technology, and the military will not give away a technology that gives them a military advantage just because it also would benefit the civilian USA.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2014, 05:30:41 AM »
It's not so much what's best for the US economy that matters; it's what the US military wants to do that counts. They have the technology, and the military will not give away a technology that gives them a military advantage just because it also would benefit the civilian USA.

Being able to skip tankers on cv groups shouldn't be such a strategic advantage more than a cost and convenience factor. It's very likely that the process is going to be repeated in labs around the world in the near future anyway.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2014, 05:48:05 AM »
Depends on how much money needs to be invested to repeat the process.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2014, 07:16:43 AM »
When they can turn seawater into beer and redesign the jet engines to run on beer.  Then cheap and reusable energy has been fulfilled.

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2014, 07:46:49 AM »
When they can turn seawater into beer and redesign the jet engines to run on beer.  Then cheap and reusable energy has been fulfilled.

Obviously the scientists have got it all backwards.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2014, 08:04:34 AM »
It's a massive tactical and strategic advantage to not be tied to fleet oilers in the near future.  The 4 to 6 hours a CV/CVN has to plod along at 15 knts beside a tanker taking on fuel for its aircraft, sometimes as often as every day (In the first Gulf War the CV's were usually having to tank every day, the CVN every 2nd).  This alone is the major advantage that would be gained from this technology.  I think I posted this here a couple of months ago, I'll have to search it, as the articles in the links were excellent.  It was in the Navy rail gun thread Marine started I believe about a month ago, and the article describing the advantages for not having to need dedicated fuel/oiler tanker ships was from Breaking Defense Weekly, but I can't find the link now.

Anyhow, not needing to plod along at a slow pace in a straight line for 1/4 of the day during wartime flight ops will make a CVN a much more difficult and elusive target, especially for submarines, and with the huge upswing in potential threat smaller subs out there right now, this is a major piece of news, should the technology eventually work.  The savings in $ and access to constant fuel supplies for aircraft and ships that aren't nuclear powered is just incidental really.  It's the greater flexibility and safety so far as the movement required for refueling that is the really positive thing for the Navy.  Even just running constant regular air operations the CVN in today's world has to tank pretty often, and again, during wartime ops, this tempo increases drastically - this technology will increase the safety and survivability of Western world CV operations by a huge factor.  

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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 08:51:25 AM »
Didn't the US Government kill some bloke that made a car run on water?
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 08:54:58 AM »
Who this guy?



No. It was the Libyans, and they missed.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2014, 09:42:08 AM »
Didn't the US Government kill some bloke that made a car run on water?

Yes they did Dolby a bloke in the pub told me at kicking out time :old:
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2014, 02:47:29 PM »
It was at I think a Denny's in Arizona. The bloke had developed a square wave frequency that weakened the bond polarity between O2 and H to the point they could be separated in real time with a fraction of the current normally needed to crack water. In effect you could fill your tank with H2O and run it past this converter for real time hydrogen fuel.

He refused offers to sell his technology. The day he died he was meeting at a Denny's with a potential financier. A few minutes after sitting down at the table, witnesses stated they watched him stand up and rush out to the parking lot loudly stating "they have poisoned me". Coroner's report was he had a stroke and heart failure. His work died with him because he never went farther than diagraming the macro elements of his device. The specifics of his square wave frequency and how it was applied died with him. Many people have recreated everything but that. Some have hinted they may have figured out the last part. Others believe he discovered a common cheap catalyst which he never documented.

So his work is moot in the face of the NAVY's work and the three teams around the globe closing in on a cheap readily available catalyst.

And yes the federal government found an excuse to confiscate the contents of his garage laboratory for some unknown reason. Fortunately a copy of his diagram got out on the internet along with a WEB site looked at as another kooky free hydrogen scam.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2014, 04:37:00 PM »
Yeppers, that's him.

When you look at many of the other water crackers around that time and after. Many seem to be reliant on an exotic (EXPENSIVE)alloy catalyst to weaken the H2\O bond, or perform complete separation under the influence of a very small input current. One rabbit hole followed using an exotic element alloy molecular honeycomb and the Casimir effect relative to H2\O bond.

So you gotta wonder where the NAVY started from with their version of this rabbit hole. It was thought because the reactors on Carriers produced an excess of power, they would have cracked water from the very beginning using hydrogen as an exclusive fuel. If I'm not off on this, I think hydrogen is not a very powerful fuel alone. You need a hydrocarbon based fuel for the right bang. Enter the NAVY's device that cracks water using excess nuclear power into hydrogen and CO2, recombined into a pure hydrocarbon with no sulfur content. Oh and don't forget the very expensive exotic catalyst.

So running that in cars is friendlier to the environment with no sulfur content. The eco whackos should be holding sit ins by the millions in D.C. lobbying for the gooberment to save the planet. It's probably better than killing all the cows to save us from evil methane out gassing.
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Re: The NAVY is getting somewhere with turning seawater into jet fuel.
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 09:16:29 PM »
The sad thing about Mr. Myers is that he was motivated to prevent his country suffering a fuel embargo again. Poor naive sucker.

What he should've done is fully develop his idea in secret, document it and then just go viral.

Btw Dolby, I've had an email from the NSA asking for your address and eating preferences.  :old:


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