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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #75 on: May 28, 2014, 01:17:56 PM »
That's not completely true or fair. Soccer is gaining in popularity in the US very rapidly. One of the big problems for American soccer right now is that Americans ARE so bad for it, and even as soccer is getting more popular viewership of MLS games has actually decreased. Americans are just watching more European soccer. (Soccer has actually surpassed ice hockey as of 2013 in the 'what is your favorite sport?' poll conducted by gallup, making it the fourth most popular American sport)
The World Cup final was a surprisingly big deal in the US four years ago, and it seems that a lot of people think that this may be a breakthrough year for the popularity of the sport in the US. Then again I think people have been saying that for quite a long time.


I guess baseball fans get so rabid over soccer's popularity is that soccer getting popular could signal baseball finally dropping off the cliff and slipping into irrelevance, considering its 30 year trend of declining popularity. {/cheap dig}

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/4735/sports.aspx

Might be a cheap dig but it is the truth. The only time the ballparks are full of people is for the 'World Series. The MLS stadiums are quit full.

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #76 on: May 28, 2014, 01:21:59 PM »
Yes and the truth is the U.S. has been playing well as of late.. --> they got bounced in the round of 16 last cup.. the cup before that they were last in their group and did not advance.. they did however, score a third  place finish in 1930.. so quite fair to say the team is improving.. lol
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #77 on: May 28, 2014, 02:52:07 PM »
Might be a cheap dig but it is the truth. The only time the ballparks are full of people is for the 'World Series. The MLS stadiums are quit full.

Much of the empty seats are because MLB plays 162 games per regular season.  81 home games means you don't have to go to every game.  Seat prices have gone up a little but you can still watch a great baseball game from good seats for the price of a movie, chili dogs not included.

How many MLS games are there per season?  How many league games are there in England per season?

Don't hesitate to call on me when you need baseball economics or statistics explained to you.  I'm always willing to help! Lol

Edit:  Manchester United played 5 games in April, lol.  Your stadiums HAVE to be full to make it work.  The Texas Rangers played 6 games last week with an average crowd of 41,000.
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #78 on: May 28, 2014, 02:57:00 PM »
(Soccer has actually surpassed ice hockey as of 2013 in the 'what is your favorite sport?' poll conducted by gallup, making it the fourth most popular American sport)

That line actually surprised me, would not have thought that.
But on the other hand, it's still at only 4%.. leagues away from basketball (12%), baseball (14%) and football(39%)
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #79 on: May 28, 2014, 03:11:42 PM »
That line actually surprised me, would not have thought that.
But on the other hand, it's still at only 4%.. leagues away from basketball (12%), baseball (14%) and football(39%)
The fine print is that the actual amount of soccer fans is still relatively small.

The later polls show that among all sports fans questioned, only ~20% consider themselves soccer fans, compared to around one third for basketball, half for baseball and two thirds for football. (although hockey still only sits at 22%)

Granted this is still pretty significant, and the trend is definitely strongly upward. One-in-five Americans is definitely a significant figure, and is certainly not 'no one'. And by as wide a margin it is in fourth place, it's still there. And in any context that you include hockey (which is a lot/most), you really have to include soccer at this point.

I would have thought hockey was much more popular, but that may be regional (I'm from Pennsylvania and currently living in Pittsburgh, and I think the Penguins are doing the best out of any of the sports teams in the city right now?)

Also, I'd bet if these polls had some demographic information you'd see that soccer is much more popular among younger populations. I know when I was in high school there was a strong Premier League and European Champions league following. I would say it's about equally as popular among people I know now, probably a bit more so.

I can't say I know anyone who follows MLS though
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #80 on: May 28, 2014, 03:46:48 PM »
The fine print is that the actual amount of soccer fans is still relatively small.

The later polls show that among all sports fans questioned, only ~20% consider themselves soccer fans, compared to around one third for basketball, half for baseball and two thirds for football. (although hockey still only sits at 22%)

Granted this is still pretty significant, and the trend is definitely strongly upward. One-in-five Americans is definitely a significant figure, and is certainly not 'no one'. And by as wide a margin it is in fourth place, it's still there. And in any context that you include hockey (which is a lot/most), you really have to include soccer at this point.

I would have thought hockey was much more popular, but that may be regional (I'm from Pennsylvania and currently living in Pittsburgh, and I think the Penguins are doing the best out of any of the sports teams in the city right now?)

Also, I'd bet if these polls had some demographic information you'd see that soccer is much more popular among younger populations. I know when I was in high school there was a strong Premier League and European Champions league following. I would say it's about equally as popular among people I know now, probably a bit more so.

I can't say I know anyone who follows MLS though

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #81 on: May 28, 2014, 04:52:44 PM »
sure they dont over pay players in soccer by millions of dollars like they do in baseball.

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Soccer has teams paying other teams Millions just to buy certain players, and that doesn't even include the contracts for the players themselves.


I have watched the women's national team and quite honestly.. they play friggin awesome.. the men's team on the other hand is outclassed physically and mentally..
Please don't even compare the Women's team to the Men's team. The USMNT U-17's beat the USWNT (the one that won the Olympic Gold and 2nd place in the World Cup) by 8-2 after the U-17 team took out most of their starters.

How do you think the USA soccer team will fair this summer?  Discuss.

Personally, I hope they do well.  Anything not in the script makes the game more interesting (cos lets face it, soccer needs all the help it can get).
I'll always be cheering and yelling for them, but after the completely lackluster performance last night (I was at the game 1st row behind the goal) we need something to really click in the next two weeks.


I don't see how folks can crap on pretty much any sport though, unless it's basketball :neener: (seriously, Basketball, NBA especially is unbearable)

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #82 on: May 28, 2014, 08:37:19 PM »
Much of the empty seats are because MLB plays 162 games per regular season.  

See it is a boring game.

36,334 avg this season at home for the Rangers out of 48,114 seats.

Cleveland avg 14,315 out of 42,404 seats.

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #83 on: May 28, 2014, 09:37:11 PM »
See it is a boring game.

36,334 avg this season at home for the Rangers out of 48,114 seats.

Cleveland avg 14,315 out of 42,404 seats.

You picked Cleveland?  Lmao.  Attendance is low there because they suck.  Maybe you find baseball boring because you watch suck teams.  You are the exact person I've been waiting for!  You know nothing about baseball and I can help you!!  Ha!

You're mistaking small market vs big market vs boring and you ignored the number of games per season.  Don't cherry pick facts

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #84 on: May 28, 2014, 09:38:22 PM »
God's chosen team? You're kidding right?
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #85 on: May 28, 2014, 09:39:44 PM »
God's chosen team? You're kidding right?

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #86 on: May 29, 2014, 12:15:26 AM »
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It's Jobu and I was referring to the OP.
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #87 on: May 29, 2014, 12:17:52 AM »
Looking forward to it first then in July I have tickets to the Man Utd Vs Inter Milan game in Washington DC.

I have tickets to Liverpool v AC Milan in Charlotte.
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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #88 on: May 29, 2014, 12:56:00 AM »
Sorry if I am a bit late to this discussion, but I'd like to chime in. I LOVE soccer, but I didn't grow up that way. I grew up in rural NC, where I slept, breathed, ate, drank, and screwed baseball. All of it, every day, every second, every year. AAU World Series Champions, 7 of my starting 9 in AAU are pro's now, including Wil Myers who is starting RF for Tampa Bay Rays. I know my baseball and I love it. I have been offered by several local high schools to teach and coach at a Junior Varsity or Varsity level. I have been a Braves fan since I took my first breath. I remember all the division championships, the 95 Series, and the horrible late 2000's. Oh yea, and the "Infield Fly" Wildcard Playoff BS with St. Louis. Every second I have spent around baseball has been a joy.

I also love college basketball. I played in high school and I live in NC, so Duke-UNC rivalry is premiere. I am a Duke fan btw. I watch every Duke basketball game, every year. I remember JJ, McRoberts, Langdon, Battier, Parks, Williams, Boozer, Brand, Magette, Dheng, and Irving. NBA is boring to me, but that's me.

The Carolina Panthers were founded in 1995. I have been a Panthers fan since Day 1. I recall the Collins days, Fred lane getting shot, Wesley Walls, Sam Mills, Kevin Greene, woeful QB years of Peete, Buerlein, and Delhomme. We have been to 1 Super Bowl and it was one of the greatest American football games I have ever seen. I cried for 2 hours when we lost. We haven't been since. I watch every game.

My point is that I love all of these sports. Sure, I could sit here with you and tell you my favorites and why. But, the fact is, they are all great. Some folks don't like baseball, I can understand why. I don't watch all 162 Braves games. I can say that I watch 50 a year, usually 3-5 at Turner field in Atlanta. Basketball requires a certain set of gifts. Football requires strength, stamina, skill, and finesse. Baseball requires excellent coordination, stamina, strategy, understanding, chemistry, and in some cases assumption. These are the things that make these sports great. What makes soccer great is it's simplicity.

The fact is, football is played all over the world. We Americans usually do not grow up watching or playing football. We play baseball, American football, and basketball. In some places hockey. But, football is the greatest sport and it is not arguable. It isn't because I say it is or because of the money, women, fame, etc. It is the greatest because it is easy, cheap, and fun. It requires skills and discipline that most sports do not require. It is played all over the world. And once every four years, the world comes together to play this wonderful game of football. This year it is in Brasil. I hope and truly wish that all of you that dislike, hate, or think poorly of football will watch your native country. Even if it is just one game. Watch your native country and pull for your country to win as if your patriotism actually were in question. Somewhere deep inside you, you will feel it. That urge to want your country to win, the need for victory, the appreciation for what your'e watching, the popularity of this wonderful game, the simplicity of this crazy overpaid nancy sport, the love and admiration of football. Watch it with us.

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Re: USA set to receive thumping next month..
« Reply #89 on: May 29, 2014, 05:11:50 AM »
At present there are currently an estimated 3.5 to 4 Billion people who watch or play soccer regularly. With the FIFA World Cup registering the HIGHEST ratings of any sporting event in the world including the Olympics. In other words, HALF of the entire planets population are soccer fans.

The United States is the only nation in the developed world that soccer is not the dominant sport. All of Europe and South America is soccer. Ironically Australia is the only other nation in which Soccer is not the most popular sport. (I am Australian and a fanatical Arsenal FC fan)

As a Gridiron player (relatively new to the game) I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan (don't make fun of me). And an Aggies fan. That sport is fun too.

But in all honesty, Soccer or football as it should universally be called. Is king. And rightly so.
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