Why USMC does not use Skyjump for their carriers?

[Shifty]

I always thought the frogfoot was a cool aircraft. However after 9 years of being in the A-10 community as a crew chief and a expeditor I'll always think the ole Warthog is superior to the SU-25. If  my name was Ivan and I had been born in Kiev.. I'd probably think the opposite.

My post was just in response to the post stating that USAF pilots were only interested in ATA. I think any combat pilot of any branch stripe or country is committed to the role of the aircraft he is flying. If he wasn't he wouldn't last long. Flying slots are way too precious for guys to get picky about their unit's mission. I know the A-10 pilots I had the privilege to serve with were committed to their job be it CAS FAC or even A-10 Instructor Pilot. Just like the F-111 pilots I served with were committed to their birds form of attack.

[Rich46yo]

My post was just in response to the post stating that USAF pilots were only interested in ATA

Who said that?

[MiloMorai]

Yep.  The USMC pioneered the use of close air support during the Banana Wars in Central America and the Caribbean and became an integral part of USMC doctrine that they will never let it go.

ack-ack

The RAF and German Air Force did close air support in WW1.

[Shifty]

Who said that?

Im not going to say USAF and USN Pilots dont care about the troops on the ground. Of course they do. But given their druthers they live for the ATA kill.

Don't get pissy, I wasn't knocking you.    Given their druthers you'd be surprised how many want to be right where they are in A-10s.

[Rich46yo]

Don't get pissy, I wasn't knocking you.    Given their druthers you'd be surprised how many want to be right where they are in A-10s.

Who got "pissy"? 

Who said that?

[Shifty]

Who got "pissy"? 

You know what. I love this little game you're playing and I want to play too.

Who said anybody got pissy?

[Rich46yo]

You know what. I love this little game you're playing and I want to play too.

Who said anybody got pissy?

Shifty if your intent was to leave me here scratching my head wondering what in Hell your talking about then you accomplished it.

Im not going to say USAF and USN Pilots dont care about the troops on the ground. Of course they do. But given their druthers they live for the ATA kill. USMC Pilots on the other hand, and sure all would love a ATA kill painted on, take it very personal when an enemy is attacking their grunts on the ground.

There, thats what I said. At no time did I say or imply

My post was just in response to the post stating that USAF pilots were only interested in ATA.

So WTF are you talking about?

You misrepresented what I said! There! Direct enough?

[GScholz]

The RAF and German Air Force did close air support in WW1.

Yes I would be surprised if the USMC pioneered it before WWI considering the Americans had to acquire French and British aircraft to even take part in the WWI air war. I wonder when and where did the USMC first operate aircraft in combat? I'm thinking late-WWI, probably not before 1918. The Junkers J.I was even a purpose built CAS aircraft, and like its distant relative the A-10 it had an armored "bathtub" that protected the crew (and engine in this case) from ground fire. It first saw combat over the Somme in 1917. It was also the first all-metal aircraft to enter mass production.


You can see this one and only preserved example in the Canada Aviation and Space Museum in Ottawa. This is the A-10's and Su-25's grandfather:

[Shifty]

Im not going to say USAF and USN Pilots dont care about the troops on the ground. Of course they do. But given their druthers they live for the ATA kill.

I didn't misrepresent you. You stated your opinion. What you based it on I have no idea. I stated my opinion based on experience. Clear enough for you?

[Rich46yo]

I spent 4 years in USAF myself. Remember that next time you say I said something that I didnt.

I think Im pretty much done with this thread.

[Shifty]

All I did was respond to your post and posted own your words. I didnt have to make up anything.